Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Adisa, May 29, 2018.
I tend to agree. An injury to either of those could well be the end of our campaign.
And lets say Liverpool dont win the league and fall away completely next year (because they did exactly that the last time they challenged for the league)- would you still rather that than win an FA Cup this season?
The next five games are huge, with this coming weekend potentially being the most important of the lot.
Liverpool really need to ensure they don't enter a slump. Brighton have a pretty good record at home of late, and look a difficult side to beat, only losing one of their last seven at home, and that being by a single goal against Chelsea. With Liverpool on first, it's a real opportunity to, at least temporarily extend the lead back to seven points, and turn City's tie against Wolves into a potential banana skin. Should Liverpool fail to beat Brighton, and I wouldn't be surprised to see City stick four or five past Wolves.
If Liverpool beat Brighton, then I think the remainder of the games become fairly straightforward, and they can look forward to City hosting Arsenal and Chelsea in consecutive fixtures and hope they'll lose some points there. Fail to beat Brighton, and I think they've fecked it, in all honesty. I think Liverpool need maximum points from your next five, and hope that City slip up against one of Arsenal or Chelsea.
The question is simpler than that: What is more important? Putting our priorities on progressing through to the next round of the FA Cup, or for the league.
We had a choice to make and it was the right call.
I think the point here is that all the top sides do play b-teams and still go through except Liverpool. Or are you saying you lost on purpose?
Wolves are a very good side who played near full strength.
You might note all the other top teams played weaker opposition to go through. The side Liverpool put oi more than likely beats below opponents:
Arsenal: Blackpool (A)
Chelsea: N.Forest (H)
City: Rotherham (H)
United: Reading (H)
Spurs: Tranmere (A)
I'd like to think we would have beaten all of above anyway.
We sold Suarez who was massive for our team, hence why we fell away. Obviously the answer to your question would be yes, but's that's on the basis on knowing what the future holds so it's kind of pointless.
Yes? You'd rather challenge for the title (not win it) and fall away completely the next rather than win an FA Cup?
Obviously this whole debate is based on hindsight and hypotheticals so you're right it is pointless but it is strange that seemingly people would rather challenge for one of the bigger trophies (not win them) than actually win one of the smaller ones
in almost any other season we'd be ahead by a comfortable margin by now.
City's numbers over the last 18 months are ridiculous.
I am saying our b-team simply isn't good enough to go deep in the FA Cup.
Don't really care about 'all other top sides' b-teams in the fa cup. They aren't sitting top of the league.
I rate both the 2007 final and 2009 title challenge as bigger achivements for rafa than the FA cup he won. Same with the 2014 challenge and last year's final.
The 2001 treble is in around the same territory.
I'd say you are having more of a freak season than City. A Leicester season pretty much.
BBC absolutely gushing and sound surprised and disappointed that not everyone wants them to win the league
They're going to be dining out on that half season of fantastic attacking football for a long time aren't they?
A Leicester season would be one where no one expected us to be challenging for the title.
At the start of the season most people had us down for 2nd so it's hardly an unexpected position, even if the points tally is higher than most would've expected.
We need to win the next 5. The biggest challenge will be replicating the consistency from the first half of the season. Do that and we have every chance of winning the title.
According to some Liverpool supporters on the BBC it was the D team
The BBC getting butt-hurt on behalf of the Dippers:
The irony as these sort of articles are exactly the reason why, author seems to have zero self-awareness.
I like the cut of Steve Taylor from Carlisle’s jip.
Can't be a fraction as bad as the summer, when every city centre in England was jam packed with Jim, Harry and Tims throwing pints of piss over each other and storming their local IKEA over wins against Tunisia and Sweden. Steve from Carlisle probably being one of them.
No it will be infinitely infinitely worse. In every possible way.
It's strange how games in the second half of the season are toataly different to the first half of the season in a title run in. You get so many surprise results. One that stands out from last season.
Man City 0-0 Huddersfield.
You can keep analysing all your fixtures, but titles are not won on paper. It's all about bottle. And we all know about Klopp and bottle when it matters.
Bants is bants, but how can Karius throwing the ball at the opposition striker be a reflection on Klopp's 'bottle'? Unless he was controlling him through a vodoo doll. His job is to create a football team to the best of his ability and he's created a fantastic one that would win the league at a canter most other years.
Ultimately, the title will come down to a range of factors. Luck maybe being the biggest one. In the sobering light of a January morning I'd have to say I don't believe we'll win it - City have too much depth and know how. I'll have convinced myself otherwise again by lunchtime.
I never mentioned anything about the Champions league final. You lot are so protective and paranoid over Sir Klopp!
Strange result to choose given that City had long won the league by then and Huddersfield was playing to avoid relegation.
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This sums up my thoughts pretty well - I couldn't care less how many people want us to win the league.
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The whole FA cup Vs league thing is bizarre. I can see a case for no cup football helping a club in the league but A) A top team aims to win everything it can because the probability of winning any trophy is extremely low given the factors. So you have to win whatever you can rather than being strategic idiots pretending there's a clever plot at play. And B) losing the FA cup doesnt help you win the league. It's not the most intense competition and everybody rests players. It's still a trophy though.
You dont have to care, most opposition fans want City to win the league and no one likes City either.
A big problem for Liverpool is their own fanbase. It is absolutely desperate Liverpool to win the league and will put the team under enormous pressure. The game vs Brighton is treated as a big big game which it isn't. The title will be decided in April/May, not in January/February. No team can have the nerves to treat every league game as a final or something. The more desperate to win the league they are, the more difficult it will be for the team.
Love how they begin that article.
They're so wonderful, how come neutrals, all of them don't want them to win it!?
The game against Brighton is a big game though. Liverpool have had two dreadful starts to new years under Klopp, and have started this year with two consecutive defeats. They'll be looking to bounce back with a win to avoid a third, but they're away to a Brighton side that have shown themselves to be difficult to beat at home. Fail to win there, and City could close the gap to one or two points.
Klopp's record of bouncing back with wins isn't great either.
Decision to loan Clyne is very strange. They have chance for first title after 30 years plus they are still in CL. Why loan only backup option for some position? Why loan any player? You need every player now.
On the other hand i must give them huge respect in selling players. How they got 19 mil for Solanke?? We would sell him for 2 mil at best
I don't think Brighton away decides much. City lost 2 in a row and 3 in 4 games and are still with a good chance to win it. Liverpool might lose from Brighton but go on a long winning run after that. Or they might win the next 5 or even 7 games and then collapse in April. Same with City. No one was expecting City to lose from Palace and Leicester. This should have teached people that football is less predictable that they might have thought.
Of course, if Liverpool draw/lose against Brighton, they might panic and fail to win several games in a row. It is not likely though. It would be a bad scenario for Liverpool if they win the next 5 games but City do the same. Their arse will be twitching when they go to Old Trafford and then to Everton.
3 of our next 4 games after the Brighton game are against midtable teams at home. You'd think our team is totally devoid of confidence right now if you read what some people are saying in here. A narrow loss at the current champions and an FA Cup exit with your reserves doesn't do that to a team who didn't lose a league game in their first 20.
I expect us to come out full guns blazing tomorrow.
We can only speculate now. City had a great record prior to Chelsea away too but we saw what happened over the next weeks. Personally, I think you'll be quite nervous and might drop points at Brighton. I don't expect the next 5 games to decide much but one never knows.
Some trophies are worth more than others. Surely you realise this?
No trophies are guaranteed? Surely you realise this too?
Most teams go for all the trophies they can possibly win. It's fans who often pretend one is being forgone for another, unsurprisingly when their teams fails at the former.
I think Klopp (and all other managers) put out a team they think capable of winning, without heavily jeopardising chances in the league and CL. Some squads are capable of managing better than others. Most Liverpool fans (myself included) wanted to go through against Wolves, but we weren't good enough on this occasion. I wouldn't have risked our first choice players for a place in the 4th round of the FA Cup considering our position in the League. Thats not to say we threw it away. Klopp just used limited resources in the best way he saw fit (accepting there was a heightened risk of losing or drawing the game), and you won't find too many Liverpool fans disagreeing with this approach.
Firstly, the question isn't flawed. The logical interpretation of the neutral part of the term is in relation to the title race. The question of who someone having no obvious ties to Barcelona/Real/Liverpool/City prefer winning La Liga or the PL, is a perfectly reasonable one.
Secondly, that puts you in the same boat as fans of any team that has ever challenged for anything. Which is why BBC isn't bringing that up given its a completely meaningless point to make (aimed at the tweeter more than you).
The question is completely flawed. If you have a preference of winner, then by definition, you are not neutral. If you want a team to do well because they haven't won for a while, you're not neutral. If you want a team to fail because they win too much, you're not neutral.
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