Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by charlenefan, Dec 10, 2017.
they're actually useless without Fellaini!!
They're even more useless when the two oafs who are our strikers can't win one header between them.
There is a difference between good and bad long balls. They work very well when right but the bas forward today were actually terrible and unthreatening
Which was my point, couldn't believe what I was seeing
Big Sam should buy Smalling he’d be great for him all his does is fecking hit and hope.
We're no good at winning the second ball either. That's a bigger issue.
Just slightly embarrassing to watch tactics like that, seems brainless when the players on the pitch aren't the right ones for those sort of lumping tactics.
Thought this thread is about me. Oh, well...
Genius play today. How anyone can call that anything but a bottle job after last weeks tactics against Arsenal is beyond me. The good chances we had came from intricate play in the middle with Lingard playing sublime balls through to our strikers. But nope. Long ball back to City won the day
Its embarrassing. Why use long balls when we have decent players who can play the ball on the deck. Our incompetence on the ball is really shown up in these big games. The blame lies with the manager adopting these tactics. Rarely have they ever worked. Its low risk with low reward.
Players are to blame as well, too many can’t pass and receive the ball under real pressure. We had to resort to punts forward because we weren’t good enough to do anything else.
Without Pogba we seriously lack the ability to play through midfield.
Rojo is far worse for it than Smalling. Especially today.
Long balls at OT is just embarrassing but, if you do decide that that is your main tactic in a game, then at least play Zlatan who can hold up the ball till Martial and Rashford arrive not donkey-touch Lukaku.
Theres long balls, and there is shit long balls.
I think I preferred LVG's approach more than that. At least the ball was on the floor and resembled more a football match than a rugby one. Embarrasing
Harsh on Zlatan. I think he won the headers where he actually had a decent chance. Most of the time they were just too far away from him to properly challenge the defender.
Lukaku won a few as well, but they just never went to our players. Some were him putting them in the wrong position, but some of the others were dropped back into semi-decent positions but City players always beat us to it.
If you're going to set up to play this way, at the very least you have to be good at it. How many times are we going to play a big team and hoof the ball all game and it be completely ineffective with it? I can accept the shit tactics if you've mastered said tactic, but we're not even close to being effective from it.
I ask, how can a top team set up to counter attack in every big game, but not actually be any good at launching counter attacks? I mean what we have shown against Liverpool, Chelsea and City this season has been criminal, not because we didn't have a lot of the ball, but because we couldn't even look slightly dangerous in attack.
Not with Lukaku. He's may be the most terrible over 1m90 header I've ever seen in 20 years of watching PL. Dominated easily by other shorter CBs.
Honestly, enough of this. Whether your balls are long or short, it's what you do with them that counts.
Long balls can be effective if done properly. Play them down the channels and we have three very quick forwards to chase them down. Yesterday we had Rojo playing them into a marked Lukaku in the middle, expecting him to control and hold up on his own, and Smalling just hoofing it anywhere.
It worked for Leicester on their league title season. And Benitez Liverpool when they had Alonso. You need a good long passer midfield, and a pacey striker who can hold the ball. We have neither.
It's fecking strange to instruct our defender to do the hoofing, when none of our defender are good at doing it.
Pogba says hi
He was invisible yesterday.
This. Just fouling and losing the ball repeatedly. What’s the point in that?
At what point are you gonna get over your broken heart and stop hating on all Manchester United strikers whose first name isn’t Wayne?
Saw my gramps naked once. He had some.
There is a difference between a long pass, and an aimless long punt up towards the big fella...
Seems to me that the problem lies in our midfield not being able to retain possession and not wanting to receive the ball from our defenders.
Is this down to confidence, ability or tactics..?
I don't like Zlatan and despite my criticism of Lukaku yesterday, I actually think he's been pretty good and was delighted with his first half performances at both Watford and Arsenal. It's only Zlatan I don't much like really.
Also, the post was valid. We kept pumping it up for our two "giant" strikers and the fact that not one of them was capable of winning a header between them meant our tactic failed.
Was waiting for this ha ha
LVG was always spot on against the big teams to be fair.
It is down to our midfield being simply reliant on Pogba, and he was missing yesterday.
They aren’t supposed to win them. They are supposed to compete with the CB and prevent a solid clearance but essentially let them head it back into the midfield, at which point Lingard and the two wide players are supposed to recover possession and break at the opposition defence
Obviously that can’t happen when De Gea can’t hit 50sq. foot of grass and Rojo was smashing it into Edersons hands
You sure it was just the once?
The problem is those "decent" players in our midfield ( with exception of Matic ) were up against world class opponents in Silva and Debryne and with" the best will in the world lingard and Herrera were way out of there depth .
So the plan was obviously to bypass the midfield and hit it long ,however Lukaku is garbage at holding the ball up as it just seems to bounce off him at all sorts of angles so It was never going to work .
With hindsight it would have been much better option to play Mata instead of Lingard as he showed in the second half when he came on he is far more capable of picking a telling pass .
Pogba would have held his own but without him we are bereft of creativity
Manchester United has the squad to play better than just long balls.. Come on, they should be playing proper football moving the ball around to create space and then penetrate the opposition defence. Honestly, playing long balls should not be our style of play.
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