Low vs high penalty kicks

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    Bross Noggie Pez Dispenser

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    Why do so many players choose to shoot low penalty kicks? High penalty kicks are so much harder for the keeper to save, and in many cases practically unsaveable because of the way a keeper naturally dives low to one side.

    Today the best penalties were again the high ones, with Luiz and Lampard's pens being almost certain goals despite Lampard's being struck almost in the middle of the goal.

    Why go for a low kick when it means you have to hit it almost into the corner if the keeper dives the right way, when a higher struck kick almost guarantees a goal. I get that it's probably a little bit harder and you look like a right tosser if you miss a high penalty like Ramos in the semi-final or Adam for Liverpool, but surely if you are a professional footballer you should be able to place the ball close to the bar from the penalty spot?
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    Snake Plissken Aka LTS10

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    Easier said than done to be fair.

    Imagine the nerves a player must have taking a big penalty kick.
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    If you shoot high, you risk this:

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    I think that is all.
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    Snake Plissken Aka LTS10

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    I prefer penalties hit low and hard.

    Very very difficult for keepers to get down fast enough to stop a penalty struck low and hard.
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    A low driller into the bottom corner a la RVN is unsaveable and less risky than a top corner effort. We need the chief to expand on this though.
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    On the contrary I thought Ashley Cole had the perfect penalty, up there with the one Hargreaves scored in 2008.
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    Jippy Sleeps with tramps.

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    That Luiz penalty was awesome to be fair but took some balls.
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    This. Its near impossible to stop if executed correctly.
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    Because it's harder to control the lift on the ball and maintain the power needed to make it secure. Chances are you will hit it too high, or perfect height for the keeper.
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    Same is said about top corner pens. If you execute a penalty correctly the keeper shouldn't have a chance.
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    Shooting high gives you the chance of shooting over. You can't shoot under the goal. You just have to worry about lateral placement as opposed to getting too far under it. It's higher risk than shooting low.

    High penalties are harder to save, but they're also easier to miss.

    The worst are low and halfway between the center of the goal and either post, but lots of players put it there.
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    Good lord the OP is clueless. The best penalty is low and hard into the side netting. You strike it properly and no GK will get down in time.

    Shooting high is very risky for obvious reasons AND if the GK gets a hand near it its easy to save.
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    Why do some players miss penalties? why don't they just shoot the ball past the keeper and in the net? You score a goal everytime.

    If I can see this sitting in my armchair why can't these idiot footballers see it.
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    Yeah but there is risk involved as mentioned, with a low pen you cut the risk. I still think the perfect pen technique when he got it right was RVN's.

    Low, hard and into the inside corner of the net. Pretty much unstopable even if the keeper guesses the direction right.
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    Its very risky for obvious reasons? Why? All the penalties that were saved yesterday were terrible attempts at putting the ball in the bottom corner, whereas all the high penalties went in. If the keeper dives to the right side the penalty has to be perfect for it to go in, where a high penalty will go in regardless of where the keeper dives.

    And whats the point of the bolded part? Idiot.
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    I think you're forgetting the part that it is hard to get the perfect height on the ball which means it goes under the bar but above the goalie. These players are playing in-front of millions, it's high pressure stuff, you know? It's easier to keep the ball down and if you hit it right, like Drogba and Neuer then it'll always go in.
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    In general, because of the pressure, if you hit a low pen, you have to only worry about placement, if you go high, you have placement and the hight to worry about. Too low and at waist level, becomes perfect height for a keeper to reach, too high and........................................Ramos!!!

    But as an ex-keeper, a low one into the bottom corner, you will have no chance most of the time unless the taker has struck the pen weakly.
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    Power and confidence in your finish is more important than where you put it. I am sure top footballers can place it anywhere they like 9 times out of 10 on the training ground.

    The best penalty I've seen taken for me was Gerrard against Arsenal in the CL. Late in the game, score and we're through, miss and we're out. That's an enormous amount of pressure and he just smashed it into the top corner:



    He knew he could place it there and still get power, so he did. RVN knew he could power it low near the post every time, so he did.
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    It's risk vs. reward isn't it? Shoot high and there's a great risk of getting it wrong and missing the target, but if you get it right, it's almost impossible for the keeper to save it.

    What I don't get is why people don't just put pressure penalties down the middle. How often is it that a Keeper doesn't actually dive?? Big penalty in a big game? Just thump it straight.
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    It's a risk still. And you will end up looking like a moron if its saved. That does play on the mind.

    Totti must have had absolute balls of steel when he took this one:



    European championship semi-final!
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    You're focusing on one penalty shoot out, I have seen hundreds over four decades. Its practically impossible for a GK to get down low and wide in the time it takes a ball to travel the 12+ yards.

    If you shoot high and the GK doesn't go to ground its fairly easy to get a hand on it and push it over. And like other have said the chances of ballooning it over are pretty high as well.
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    shooting down the middle is a risk, because keeper can save the ball with his feet.
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    A penalty into the top corner at almost any pace can't be saved unless the goalkeeper started far over that side. Statistics back this up, too.

    The risk is sending it over.

    That really is all there is to it when it comes to high vs. low.
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    The keeper can't get to any of the corners, low or high, if he dives at the same time the ball is struck. They actually analyzed penalties on an ESPN human science program and the ball is in the net before a human can get across.

    Of course that doesn't take account of a GK moving a split second early o the shot being weak.
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    Yes, I saw a piece on Sky Sports a few months ago where a firm did research. They had some hoops in the four corners of the net and if the ball was hit into any of the hoops at a certain power it couldn't be saved.
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    Le Tissier used to aim them in the corner over 5 feet. Scored 47 out of 48 in his career. There's always a percentage chance of a low shot being saved, it's physically impossible for a keeper to get to the high ones.
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    This. He must have a beanbag between his legs, particularly as he was feeling his thigh a few minutes before with his hamstring.
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    Brazil took all their penalty kicks high against Netherland back in 1998 and won 4:2.

    With Van der Sar at goal they had to take risk of missing penalty rather then seeing him save and it worked for them.
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    Same for low pens into the side netting.

    Bigger "unsaveable" area to aim for when you go high but bigger margin for error when you need to worry about how wide and how high.
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    A high penalty into the corner is almost guaranteed compared to a low penalty which has to be perfect to be guaranteed, but the low penalties are a lot easier to take and involve less risk. Really depends on the player to be honest.
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    Yeah, all about the risk. No one wants to be that guy who blasts it over. If you take a low one and it's not great and saved, you don't look as bad as the nob who skies it.
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    If put into the side netting, it doesnt matter if its high or low. If you cant get that accuracy, always better to smash it in low so that it has a chance of sneaking below the keeper.

    Also, high pens are tough to control, one thing doing it in training and another doing it in a match.,
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Nah, keepers dive early and get over there (just watch them), they can't get up as well.
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    Ashley Cole's penalty last night was the perfect penalty. As long as it hits the side netting no keeper is getting it. I think the only case where they would save it is if the taker didnt realise for some reason that the keeper had edged toward one side and the taker still shot that way.

    Always wondered why people havent gone for like placements, almost like freekicks but i guess your body shape would give it away in terms of what direction youd be going?
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    I played as a keeper for years and getting to shots that were top corner bound involved a couple of steps to where the ball was going before beginning your dive.

    When someones hitting a peno you don't really have that option to gain an extra foot or so to either side. For that reason alone the top corner is the hardest to get to by a country mile. It's slightly easier to let your legs give way to get down to the low shots but it's only ever so slightly easier. Both are extremely tough for the keeper anything in the mid height range is ideal.
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    I reckon the majority of players who took penalties last night would have been able to hit a near perfect penalty in training the day before.
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    The argument there is that if the 'keeper is going to get one in the corner, then he has to start diving before the ball is hit as there's simply no way you can get there afterwards. That being the case, a competent penalty taker should be able to readjust and put it the other side. You'll never tuck it into the corner that way, but the 'keeper has made his move, so you don't need to.

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