Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by #07, Jan 4, 2018.
Hope he plays against NC.
I can't stand Young's cutting back to his right foot.
Jose has been talking about Shaw like this for a while now but still benched him for two games as soon as Young came back, I don't understand it.
To be fair, Young has been in the form of his life this season.
Young is more reliable right now, and has performed better this season, but he’s not the future. I think Jose is right to reintroduce Shaw slowly. If you throw him in to a big game and he makes a mistake that costs us, it’ll set him back.
I mean he benched Pogba too, we're hardly getting rid of him.
I just can't decide what to think about him. He is solid player, better than the most full backs in league and deserves to be in the squad but i can't say that he proved to me that he is united first 11 material. His attacking game bugs me. Young has so much bigger impact in attack than him.
But again, spending 50-60 mil on another left back while having shaw seems pointless. Except we can get some top top class. But who? For me only sandro is that kind of a player
At this moment in time, Young is a better LWB.
Not hard to understand.
His crossing could use some work but in terms of pure link up play I think he edges Young with the benefit of still having time on his side. Shaw's biggest strength is his defending, I think that could be why Mourinho might choose to settle on him, the tools are there for his attacking game but they definitely need some polishing.
There's still room to improve for him, but no doubt he has turned the tides and I become very relaxed when I see him playing. Maybe his crossing isn't good enough but his movement and passing open lots of spaces on the left. Young has been phenomenal this season apart from that Spurs game but his strong foot is the right one forcing him to always cut inside on crossing and his build up of the play from the back isn't good enough. Young seems to be playing on his own on the left while Shaw tries to link with the rest of the players on the left, move and pass then receive it again and so on. Shaw has the tools to improve and become our main LB. Fingers crossed he stays fit and keep on this hard work.
Shaw's best ability is indeed his defending, especially 1-on-1. He still needs to work on his defensive positioning, but he has a solid foundation for that process.
I haven't seen many players handle Shaqiri the way Shaw did recently. I know Shaqiri isn't a universal measuring tool to evaluate defenders by, but he's a rapid, strong, tricky, tough little meatball and difficult to cope with. I thought the way Shaw dealt with him was impressive.
Whether it's full-backs or centre-backs, I prefer defenders who first and foremost can actually defend. Shaw's offence will improve with experience and minutes anyway. Besides, like you also pointed out, Shaw's link-up play is already better than Young's. It's not even close for me.
The only advantage Young has over Shaw is the ability to cross the ball, and I'd say that's marginal.
Very good news. I was a bit worried we were going to splash silly money on Danny Rose this summer. Hopefully that's no longer the case.
So let's see...
Jose can't stand Mata but Mata has remained a regular first team player.
Jose had issues with Lukaku but he went to buy him for almost a hundred million and plays him regularly.
He wants to kill Martial'a mecurial talent but the kid is one of the first names in his team sheet.
Rashford can do no wrong with Jose but Marcus has been playing from the bench for many weeks now.
Jose never benches Pogba even when he plays rubbish but he did just a few days ago.
He publicly criticized Shaw and wanted to kill his morale but now says Shaw will get a new contract and will be with United for many years.
There was never any question that Jose did not rate Shaw. Jose does not waste his own time or minutes on the pitch on players that he doesn’t rate. If you’re not up to standard, you’re gone - but notice Jose has only ever had nice things to say about the players he has binned.
The likes of Martial and Shaw get criticised because Jose is challenging them. Continue to coast and end up at Arsenal (or similar) or give everything to b elite
I agree Young has been great this season but I think we need to see the bigger picture now.
Shaw has stepped up since his injury, he's been making progress every game and has done good everytime he plays this season. He's still very young for a defender and obviously need experience, credit to Ashley this season but we are all know he won't be our future left back. Shaw is more likely going to be our future left back than Ashley.
Classic example of a player being given chances and seriously took it, then get rewarded for it.
LB is not an issue this summer.
It's as if there is this group of people with agenda wanting to portray and kept on believing Mourinho is this kind of sadistic merciless manager.
No, it’s just Jose’s agenda to make people with agendas look like they have an agenda.
Probably the best he's been for us since his first season were he was very good for us. Definitely not the form of his career though IMO because he used to be top class for Villa on the wing and in the hole. Worms in holes, treat them.
Great news for the club and well deserved.
I'm not convinced by Shaw, he still needs much much work to progress. It will be wrong not to consider buying a consistent L.B.
You'll just have to trust Jose's judgement on this one
I had completely given up on him but the way he reacted to Jose's criticism and his form over the last few months has been fantastic.
I think Jose trusts Young more because of his experience but he was dreadful at Spurs and was deservedly left out of the Huddersfield game. It's a great chance for Shaw to establish himself as first choice between now and the end of the season.
Hopefully he can keep it up. There is absolutely no doubt he has the ability.
On a related note, it is fantastic to see both Martial and Shaw in such excellent form. Both were criticised harshly by Mourinho, some felt overly so. But they have reacted extremely well which is great to see.
Wonderful. So happy for Shaw.
Glad for Shaw. I've always felt he has the potential to be one of the best LBs on the planet. But at the same time, he hasn't shown all that much on the pitch. Lots to prove yet. Jose just be really impressed with his attitude in training and otherwise. Hopefully it continues that way after the new contract.
Kudos to Shaw for proving Mourinho wrong, not the easiest thing to do.But not buying a LB is not the best idea IMHO.Shaw is good but his attacking input is nothing great, his crossing is average although he does make good overlapping runs.
The problem now is we won't be buying any full backs.Jose trusts Valencia so no RB and by the looks of it, no LB.So literally no improvement in attack, other than Sanchez of course.If we are just buying two CMs and no FBs, I don't see us challenging.If we are buying a right sided attacker instead of FBs then I'm happy with that, but looks like it's gonna be just two CMs so hello top 4 race 2018-19
I'm getting pretty sure that Mitchell can provide backup to Shaw next season or the one after.
That would be awesome. And Young for when a more experienced hand is required. I'd love for us to not sign any fullbacks, but just bring TFM and Mitchell into the fold to replace the presumably outgoing Darmian and Blind.
Still think Mourinho will look to bring another left-back in this Summer despite what he said at the presser on Friday, whether he'll be an experienced pro, or another kid with potential i'm not sure. If Darmian, Rojo and Blind leave, and it looks likely they all will we wouldn't want to be going into next season with only Young and Shaw for the left-back position, Mitchell by all accounts is doing very well, but the difference between the Scottish Premiership and the Premier League is day and night, and it might be a season too early for him.
The best option was always that the guy we've paid loads for fulfils his potential and means we don't have to buy big there.
Let's hope it's moving the right away again after quite a stalling.
Then we can prioritise funds elsewhere
Will frustrate me if I see Young starting today.
I'm still very unsure on Shaw. He always seems to be on his heels and appears to lack a ruthless winning mentality from the outside looking in
Why is Rojo certain to leave??
He's gone off the boil a bit lately so I'd be surprised if he started over Shaw, Mourinho'll probably want Shaw to prove that he earned his contract with a good performance.
Have I missed something-where does Rojo leaving come from? I genuinely we never looked stronger last year then when Rojo and Bailey were the centre back pair.
Mourinho is a student of Fergie's school of psychology and man management; moreseo now he's at united.
Every ex-United player who did well talks of how Fergie would make a player feel 10 feet tall despite dropping/leaving him out.
If Shaw continues his progression and with Mourinho saying what he has done, it bodes well.
I was originally only going to mention Darmian and Blind leaving(think they're both certs), but thought(nearly always a mistake on a forum)somebody would probably reply saying Rojo can always fill in at left-back if needed, which in turn would probably have resulted in numerous posts saying Rojo is the worst left-back in the history of left-backs ending up derailing the thread.
Personally, with the cb we've got available if he's fit i'd always have Rojo in my team, alongside Jones, or Bailly in a two in central defence
Just tried to explain to @Traub above, and probably failed miserably
I don't get Jose's strategy with Shaw. Praises him a few weeks ago, then benches him for 2 games and puts Young immediately back in when has served his suspension. Claims yesterday Shaw is the future of Utd and then today again benches him for Young? Err, if he's so good Jose why do you keep benching him immediately after praising him?
Think its time to offload Shaw. I personally rate him but If he cant get in the side over an out of form Young then there's no hope for him.
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