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Takes yellow cards for fun.
He is rarely beaten, but the moment he is beaten, the next thing he does is foul.
Football is harsh at his level and that is a prime example. Generally I feel he was excellent apart from that 15 seconds period for the goal.
Apart from the goal he was superb, this shit happens in football. The amount of time he tracked back to stop attacks whether it be when they were attacking down the right or through the middle makes up for it for me. Had a quality game; one of the better on the pitch.
"Apart from the goal he was". Yes, but the goal was his fault and at the end of the day he "gave away" the only goal in the game. He didn't offer anything going forward as usual (I know he had a little different role) but still. He's not even average going forward, he's poor. And although he's quite good sometimes at defending, it really is not enough for Manchester United and I honestly don't get the defending. Just look at the posts here "he gave away a goal BUT". Not. Good. Enough. And. Never. Will. Be.
Get a clue. Clearly one of our best players. He was playing CB yesterday and you're slagging his attacking output? I hope you remain miserable for the rest of his United career, which will be long and, I suspect, quite successful.
The goal was just as much de gea's fault.
An across the box slow cross & any other goalkeeper would come out to punch that away or catch it with both hands.
I guess that doesn't matter much does it? Because de gea will. Never. Be. A. Goalkeeper. Who. Protects. His. Box.
Quite successful, yeah sure. What's he going to do, learn how to cross all of a sudden? He's mediocre and not even better than the Leicester fullback. United fans have been since long time blinded by mediocre that we don't even have any standards anymore.
You got that right. He will never be a keeper who protects his box.
Oh, silly me. There was me thinking Evra was a shite crosser. Wasn't Gary Neville pretty poor at crossing at 23-24 as well? In conclusion, yes he might learn to cross. If not, Evra was shite at crossing and is in my opinion our best ever LB.
Yes but you know, as well as I, that Evra had other qualities going forward that are not even worth comparing to Luke's.
Tbf the goal was down to the brilliance of Messi than Shaw's fault. He was going away from goal and still delivered an inch perfect cross to Suarez. He didn't even look ffs.
I think he looks better because our right back is so damn useless.
he must stop fouling when beaten. Suspended for the second leg now and two other PL games. The alternatives are not great.
It wasnt just the goal, I remember another occasion where a Barcelona player made a run in behind him successfully. Clearly he's got a bit of work to do on tracking runs behind him if hes playing as more of a LCB. Someone can get in behind him at leftback and we still have a good chance to stop the move with some good defending, but if players run in behind him centrally its a lot more dangerous
I’d argue that De Gea only makes so many saves because other keepers proactively prevent the shots, but that another discussion.
Shaw did well - and for the goal it hit his arm; any attempt to intervene would have led to him conceding a penalty anyway. He did well overall and was infinitely better than Young, Pogba, Rashford etc
Good performance, will be excellent next season.
His yellow card was a joke compared to what the ref let Busquets get away with he should have had at least 4 yellows.
He has vastly improved his performances after injuries etc so I'm pleased for him.
But... with the likes of Danny Rose and Robertson , Walker, Trent-Alexander... Shaw needs to step up a fair bit... He lacks the command, intensity and (offensively) effectiveness of those players. We need top, top quality full backs at United.
One of the worst posts I've read today and there's been some nonsense.
To add to that even before that the little bit of movement by Messi to lure Luke out was pretty impressive and Luke went with him and then Messi exploited that. Just got done by arguably the greatest player ever, not really much shame in that. Handled him pretty well after that.
That's the argument most people use when they don't have anything to say.
And when what you're saying is utter tripe. He's arguably our player of the season. I don't understand why the likes of Shaw, Pogba and Martial get the abuse they do. This is the quality of player we need.
Pogba and Martial have quality, world-class quality and potential. Luke Shaw don't.
Crikey. Dont know how to help you. Maybe you'll see it from everyone else's point view eventually.
He is playing brilliantly the last few months. Was class yesterday imo. Yes he was also at fault for the goal, but that dont mean he was shit or will never be good enough. He is so calm on the ball, a very good passer and generally very good defensively. His technique in general is quite well. I can only see crossing as a real weakness.
Shame for the suspensions. He will be missed.
One of my favourite players at the moment. I think he’s been playing well but reading some of the comments in this thread maybe I’ve been watching the wrong games.
Yeah, because that what's defined as "correct". I don't need anyone to agree with me, I believe in my ability. I'm not saying he's shit, I'm saying that he's not good enough to be first choice at Manchester United. Time will tell I guess.
I don't agree. I think he's doing okay. He is calm on the ball and a good, decent passer of the ball, I agree with that. If you think crossing is his only weakness.. well, then I don't agree at all. How about dribbling ability? Vision? Attacking instinct? Stamina? Shooting technique? Ant not only crossing, passing in general in the final third is not good enough. His attacking stats are awful, and he's eclipsed by a lot of leftbacks only in the league such as Robertson, Digne and Chilwell and then I haven't even started to compare in an international matter.
Quite often seems to 'take one for the team', preferring to wipe em out than let them attack if he's been beaten. Not great for cards.
Suggest a trip to Specsavers is in order, he's constantly been one of, if not the best United player on the pitch for the last two or three months, or longer still.
The goal wasn't solely down to Shaw either and DDG was in no man's land.
I’ll never understand why this guy gets so much praise from our fans.
He has 5 assists in 5 seasons. Just let that sink in.
Robertson and Arnold are having a competition about which one of them can get the most this season and Robertson is already on 8!
Shaw is a mid table quality player who wouldn’t look out of place at a team like Southampton or Everton. The fact that we gave him 190k a week because he scored a fluke goal against Leicester sums up the state of our board.
The “experiment” is over. He didn’t live up to the potential. All things considered, he’s been a shite signing. And if we want to win trophies again, we have to aspire for more. Look at Evra, or even Heinze. Worlds apart.
For me, Alex Sandro is the one we need but I’ve been saying that since he was at Porto. I also want Ricardo Pereira on the right side. But I won’t hold my breath... chances are, we’ll have Young and Shaw starting next season, trying to untangle their feet while they deliver shite cross after shite cross. This is the standard now. I mean, they’re loyal, “passionate” and English. What more could you want?
Its ridiculous the praise he gets.
I actually think we need to sell him because having a fullback that NEVER overlaps not only affects him it affects the player playing ahead of him in the left wing position.
Its no secret our left wing has been a bit meh for a while and you just have to wonder if he contributes to it.
He does our left wingers no favours.
It's interesting to see that there's still people who believe Shaw is a mid-table level left back. I mean, I can see the argument for needing to add a left back who has a certain flair and effectiveness in the third. But I find it rather strange that anybody who has watched us this season would argue that Shaw has A) not been one of our best players this season and B) isn't even good for our squad. He's not fanatic in the final third, there's no debate around that. But he is generally excellent in defence - one of the strongest fullbacks in England in this regard, and his general play - first touch, short passing, link up, is also of a pretty high level.
All in all, I personally think he is very good. He falls short in one key area where either he needs improvement, or we need an alternative, but on this season's evidence, he forms an important part of next season's squad without a doubt. But he has to keep the peformances up.
“One of our best players”... you make it sound like we’re doing good this season. We’re sixth. And the reason we’re sixth and not first is because of players like him, Smalling, Young and Jones playing nearly every game.
Keep playing mid table players and guess what? You get mid table. Disagree all you want, I know I’m right. It doesn’t matter who manages the team because we won’t EVER improve until we get rid of this bunch! And it doesn’t stop there; Sanchez, Darmian, Rojo and Fred are all robbing a living off this club.
I’m so fecking happy Herrera and Valencia are gone. With any luck, it won’t stop there.
I think the attacking element is more due to the poor understanding between players. People say that Shaw doesn't do overlaps, but I have seen him do quite a few overlaps and the left winger rarely ever passes it to him. Usually, the person on the left wing ignores him and tries to take the opposition on himself or pass it backward. I think this has led him to hang back more.
I do not think that is all down to Shaw. I think it is up to Solskjaer to get the team working more fluidly and then you will see him getting forward more. After all, it is not the only area of the team suffering from this issue.
Yep, we were a cohesive mess under Mourinho. There's a reason lesser ability players+clubs can play more attractive football than we can. I really hope Ole can get us playing quick passing football like a proper team, not just relying on getting it wide and sticking it in the box.
He doesn't go past players because he doesn't want to. Nothing to do with the tactics imo. His pace on the recovery going backwards is frightening but it doesn't happen going forward. Maybe once a game. Why is that? There's space to be attacked on the overlap that he doesn't use with enough frequency. I personally believe he didn't get over the mental block of the injury completely. If I was the manager I will continue to train him for the LCB postion. All his best attributes are suited for it.
See this move at 0:48
1) this happens 5/6 times a game at Liverpool for eg
2) they whip the crosses in early and into an area (not necessarily to feet) for someone to attack. This move will result in a goal 9/10 at other clubs. We don't do enough of it.
He is available for this leg right? I read somewhere his yellow card count makes him unavailable for today.
No, he isnt available for game vs Barca and also vs Everton.
Is it really? He’s got more yellow cards than anybody else on the team and every single one that I can remember is a player getting in behind him and he can’t stop them any other way than pulling them down. He occasionally has a good sprint in him but stamina is a huge issue for him. I wonder why......
Next season he needs to work on his discipline, missed so much tonight and he's banned for the weekend as well
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