Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by RedMachine03, Mar 29, 2018.
Basically they want a scapegoat. Someone with zero power but all the accountability and blame.
So then by that logic shouldn't you wait to see how the next few seasons pan out before criticizing the board. By all accounts, the club has so far invested much more power in the manager than many of our counterparts, but now we seem to be changing that, so give it a little time before criticizing them.
Logically yes but due to the timeline of events I highlighted I've grown sceptical of them
I'm not comparing Ole to those two. I was simply pointing out that hammering the board for signing those players and managers is a bit hypocritical since those individuals were exactly who most of our fanbase were clamoring for.
I don't think it's going to be an issue. Especially if it's somebody with United roots as it has been touted.
A positive outlook never hurt anyone in life.
The board has under performed for 6 years, but a couple of press briefings and they've earned 3 more years from some fans. Woodward is a puppet master, use the positivity of Ole, throw in a few buzzwords and fans will eat it up.
You would think an internal appointment would be a red flag, because obviously whoever is working internally is not getting the job done, but its somehow spun into a positive.
I hope sense prevails in the board and they act quickly so that who ever is installed gets enough time to access the squad and plan a summer window with enough preparation going into it, or else he will have little time to make a significant impact.
I think Ole has already mentioned many times that targets for this summer are already in place, so I don't think the technical director will have much influence on who we buy/sell this summer.
Already in place by whom? A sacked manager an interim manager who just got appointed a week earlier or By ceo like Woodward. Only time will tell how serious are we to fix the problem or weather we end up complicating it even further.
They were put in place by Ole. He said in a press conference that he let Woodward know which players he wants to sell and buy.
I'm assuming we have a scouting department who recommend players to Marcel Bout, who then recommends them to the manager, which since December has been Ole and he's mentioned constantly since then that he's had an input on the players we will sign. According to recent reports, the problem with last summer was Bout and Mourinho could not agree on the players and hence we didn't sign them. Apparently both Bout and the manager have a veto so both have to agree. Also, if I'm not mistaken Ole had said in one of his first interviews that targets for this summer had already been identified an year back and he would just be giving his input on them, now he's the permanent manager I guess he could veto them if he doesn't like them.
Left field option Paul Scholes. Can't think of anyone more technical. He'd set the agents straight. Would be a laugh.
I highly doubt that anyone as a veto outside of the owners and Woodward but I'm nitpicking because it's obvious that if your manager and your head scout have vastly different opinions on a potentially expensive player then caution dictates that you don't go after that player, so you end up in the same position then if one of them had a veto.
All they have to do is target young talented players like most big clubs do these days.... ....fine fine, i’ll drop in a cv I guess
Yeah pretty much. And that was nitpicking.
A serious question to posters who follow the youth teams:
Is there any evidence that the restructuring undertaken over the past few years (e.g. recruiting Murtough, promoting Butt) has borne any fruit?
If it has, it may be an indication that the Board are at least capable of getting some decisions right. Maybe also that the notion of an internal appointment isn’t totally ridiculous.
Working together yes. But the part about a different vision is where you and a lot of people on the forum seem to get it wrong.
There will be no different vision, the DoF works in the best interests of the club not their own agenda. He or she gets a mandate from the big bosses, eg, style of play, player recruitment profile etc. From there the DoF has to find a manager who can best implement said mandate or pass on that instruction to Ole since he's already here.
Then, to help Ole/manager achieve this, the DoF puts a structure in place in terms of investment into the club.
At least thats how i think having a DoF would work. Clear chain of command, not equal to the manager or differing visions.
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Actually the contrary. The chief scout's job is to scout players. He wouldn't and he shouldn't delve into issues such as whether the players in question are available or would want to come to Manchester etc. Judge on the other hand is a Head of Corporate Development at Manchester United. He's an expert on equity and debt management not on how much salary Rojo should get. By getting a DOF in we'll have a football person whose job is mainly to perform such things.
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If such top candidates are already available at the club, we should not be in this mess in the first place.
With Woodward, a Technical Director appears to be more of a Technicality Director based on the job profile we have put out. Seems like Ed wants to retain 90% of the recruitment power instead of giving the new guy the reins.
Board always has the power at all clubs. Even thes ones with a DOF
This is what I am more skeptical about. However could just be that they had no say
Still have no idea where this one is going. If you hire someone to work alongside the manager, what happens if the manager leaves? He goes too?
I don't have any concern about Solskjaer signing players, for instance. He can make a good signing just like a technical director can make a bad signing. It's more about continuity. Whether Solskjaer is a success or not, what happens if he leaves in two-three years? Who picks his successor? How do we ensure that we bring someone who will build on his work rather than take the team a totally different route, like what happened between LVG and Mourinho?
I'm not sure we'll be changing much of our current system.
Given that the revamp of our club needs addressing this summer, its a bit weird if we havent installed a DoF before the transfer window begins. Backwards thinking, and from the outside it seems as if Woodward/Glazers have to be forced, before they take action.
A DoF should ideally be hired this spring, so he can actually take a thorough look at our setup and act based on our needs and vision.
If they had no say, will they have any later on?
I was saying there's no use getting a DOF in with a different vision, which you seem to have agreed with.
Im calling BS on them names. If all three names are in consideration now, surely they were in consideration last month and the month before. So why wait until 'hopefully before the start of 2019 / 2020' season. What are any of them going to do between now and the end of the season to get job. It's like what names come up in the magic 8 ball and we will write a crock story on it.
Seems like Eddie doesn't want to give up control. His dream is to become the new Perez, not going to give it up so easily.
Don’t understand this argument at all. The Glazers are in total control of the club, Ed is the kingpin of the club and their man.
Appointing a DOF would not change that at all as he would report directly to Woodward. Then the decision is taken by the owners and Ed after input from the hierarchy.
So stop this Ed won’t give up power nonsense.
If we are indeed promoting from within for this role, then it doesn't matter if it's made official after the summer as for all we know, they're already in the conversation with Ole and Woody for new signings.
I'll stop the "nonsense" once we appoint someone and it shows in our long term vision. Up until now Eddie has been incharge and we seem to be stumbling along. Everything has been a mess since he has taken over from David Gill. Bad managerial appointments and a scatter-gun approach to transfers is Eddie's legacy so far.
The final decision may rest with the Glazers or Eddie, but I don't want him to give another interview about "how we would make moves in the market that no one can" or about selling us as the adult version of Disneyland.
Eddie's jobs should be to sign the next lube sponsor and signing the cheques, not making important football decisions at the club on his own.
I'm not sure if internal appointment will work but their roles at the club were mostly unrelated to the mess/didn't have the authority or the responsibility to do anything about it.
And i was replying to your post in which another poster was asking why a manager would have a say in who the DoF is. You had said the manager has to have a say so that they have a similar vision and to that i said no, the manager shouldn't have a say for fear of not getting along because the DoF wouldnt be at the club to do as they wish but perform as directed by the board same as the manager therefore negating the need for Ole/manager to have a say.
I'd be more pushing towards an exceptional scouting set up with great communication between them and Ole and staff on what the plan is, what they need, the personality profile etc. I don't think any structural set up is the panacea to success its about ensuring your approach is done really well. Under SAF is was pretty archaic apparently but the strategy of buying the best from the PL was a simple enough one (at the time, given our financial dominance) to lead to success.
There is a difference between power and decision making. No-one is suggesting that the new position would usurp Woodward (although ideally it would). The concern is that in addition to having the power to sign off on decisions made by a DoF, Woodward may also continue to have a hands on role making decisions that should be left to the DoF, manager, coaching and scouts. Hopefully that concern proves to be unfounded.
I agree with all of that.
But in the end every decision of importance will be rubber stamped by the Glazers and Ed. They are still in total control of everything Man Utd.
Still can't get my head around this one. If he is above ole in the hierarchy then he has to keep his mouth shut and just look good ( that rules out the Nevilles). Why create a wage bill for the sake of it?
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