Mario Gotze

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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    But can Muller play up top on his own? I he can I hope Bayern start to use him there instead of Gomez.
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    Ballache Full Member

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    see the way i see it, Germany's formation is very fluid. You have goals coming from everywhere left, right, center. i think they can do with not having a "proper" striker so to say because the wingers and Özil are always in dangerous positions. Muller is one of the smartest players on the team, his runs will create loads of space for them and he can finish too! also that means Götze can play on the right.

    -----------Kroos--Bastian-----------
    -------Götze----Özil----Podolski/Schurrle
    ----------------Muller-----------

    I have also been very impressed with Andre Schurrle, Podolski better watch his back!! also who do you think should partner Hummels at the back? i am not so convinced by Badstuber although he is still very young, but he has not been performing that well lately!
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Look a lot better without Gomez, would look even better without Podolski.
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    Gomez I'm not so sure, on his day he can be class. Agree with Podolski though.
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    Gotze over Podolski would seem like a no-brainer. But I think Low is doing his damnedest to keep the guy from getting a big head, bringing him in gently.
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    He also mentioned that in an interview. Saying something like it would be wise not to let him play every game. Neither for the club nor the country.
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    It would certainly depend on the player, Rooney seems to thrive playing constantly. But I can see the wisdom, you have to keep players hungry, always striving to 'prove the manager wrong' for leaving him out.

    Certainly if Gotze is showing signs of becoming self-satisfied or undisciplined, or thinking he doesn't have a lot more to learn then it makes sense.

    But there are a lot of ways to motivate players, like SAFs little bets with Ronaldo that he couldn't score 20 in a season, or whatever it was.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    What you say about
    Muller is true. I just worry we might develop Portugal's problem of so many creative attacking players and no lead the line finisher. Schurrle I shall watch with interest. Though I think Goetze is the one who is placing Podolski in real danger.

    As for defence, I want to see Mertsacker with Hummels. I rate ''big Peter'' highly.
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    I don't know if I've ever seen Gomez play, but his stats last season were phenomenal.

    Surely he can't be any worse than Klose at linking play and being part of a fluid formation, the guy is pretty stiff.
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    I don't know about Merte, he seems to have regressed a bit since his early days, where he seemed like a fine talent! hope his move to Arsenal kick starts his development. I think if Boateng does well for Bayern this season, he will bi there next to Hummels!

    he is a goal-scorer, that's it! his link-up play is patchy and does not move a lot! he is always at the right place at the right time and is lethal! as for Klose, i suggest you take another look! the guy works his bollocks off up-front and is always moving creating spaces in the final third! his record for Germany is sublime!
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    Fair enough, I didn't mean to imply Klose was useless. I only really know him from playing for Germany, but his club scoring record is pretty poor, and he plays for Bayern so there's not much excuse. I think of him as a great header of the ball and very good striker of one. He can certainly get the job done up top, though every other offensive player impressed me more for Germany in South Africa.

    The rest of the team haven't exactly struggle to score with Gomez playing recently, but then group competition can be rather light at times.
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    Sojiro Formerly MST3K

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    I think klose is at Napoli now.

    As for the CB pairing I think a mertesacker-hummels combo would do the trick, with badstuber/boating/hoewedes as backup.
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    I just meant that all those years where he couldn't match his club form to his national team form he was at a team the quality of Bayern, so he didn't have any excuse.

    He probably deserves better than backing up Cavani.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    I wouldn't call it regressing. He just lacked a challenge at Werder over the last 2 season he was there. On top of good enough team mates. I'm backing him to shine at Arsenal despite his many critics beliefs.

    He'd be the best candidate due to his speed. But thus far at Bayern he has shown inexperience. I'd stick with Merte personally
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    Actually he is at Lazio
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    62 goals in 111 outings for Germany - Klose's performances for us have been great, especially in the last World Cup despite a poor season at Bayern. He just seems a lot more motivated for the national side.

    Neuer, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Özil, Klose are certain starters for us, I'm sure.

    It all depends on Löw to find a good centre-pairing - he seems to rate Badstuber though, who I don't think should play. Hummels with Mertesacker or Boateng at the back.
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    Another thing is a full-back! what happened to Castro? he was highly rated! i
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    Full back should be easy - Schmelzer LB/Lahm RB - but for reasons I can't quite understand I fear Löw will play Lahm at left back with someone who isn't close to Schmelzer's level at right back.

    At center back I would like to see Hummels/Höwedes. As a surprise option I like Wollscheid but it's probably too late for him to force himself into the team.
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    Like Marin, he never really performed consistently.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    He just didnt make the step up necessary after under 21 level.
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    There are reports that Löw is apparently trying something like this for the upcoming friendlies, the so-talked about 3-5-2 system.

    ----------------------- Klose -----------------------
    ----- Götze ------------------------------ Müller ----
    --------------- Kroos ---------- Özil -----------------
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    -- Lahm --------- Schweinsteiger --------- Khedira ---
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    ----------- Badstuber ---------- Hummels ------------
    -----------------------------------------------------
    ----------------------- Neuer -----------------------
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    That don't resemble 3-5-2:confused: or did you mean 2-5-3?
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    Oh, sorry, the ''M-M''-formation.
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    oh i see. Schmelzer has not been played enough for some reason even though he's had a solid season last year.
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    One simple reason - and it underlines Bayern Munich's importance and influence for the national team. Bayern could not find a left-back this summer (talks began with Benfica's Coentrao but Real came in), so they opted for Genoa's right-back Rafinha (who already played under Heynckes at Schalke), therefore moving Lahm to left-back.

    Löw did not want Lahm changing positions so he also decided to move him to the left - where I, personally, think he is a better player anyway.
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    Even if Lahm is better at left back than he is at right back (I won't disagree with you there) Schmelzer is much better (I think using "much" is fine here) than all the other right back options (Boateng, Höwedes, Träsch) especially considering none of them are specialist full backs. So I guess I should initially have said I understand why Löw would play Lahm on the left but I don't agree with it.
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    Gambit Desperately wants to be a Muppet

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    and now back to some speculative ill informed muppetry, instead of all this tactical nonsense on the German side.

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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    Player is good, Sir Alex likes good players, thus when he sees him he will bid on him. Good stuff.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    I blame the love of Badstauber for it.:D
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    I've taken to watching all Dortmund games this year (watched them last year too)...they play an attacking brand of football (like us), they have fanatical support (like us), and he's one of those players that loves creating chances for others while also working hard to get the ball back when the team defends.

    I know there are some other young rising stars out there people want Utd to sign (Ganso, Eriksen, etc) but personally Super Mario for me would fit in quite easily into our team. He reminds me of Cleverley to be honest, but I think his technique, vision and even pace is better.
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    Gambit Desperately wants to be a Muppet

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    Didn't play this weekend did he, suspended I believe? which will make him nice and refreshed to face Arsenal this week.
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    He was decent today but not sure if he is ready for the PL, he is only 19 and needs another couple of years at Dortmund before he considers moving.
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    If he gets better and better. And signs another contract.
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    I thought he had a bit of an off game myself, but then with everyone playing so poorly he can hardly look his best.

    Can't wait for the rematch.
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    All signs point towards him moving forward so I'm going to assume that for now, obviously it can go the other way as well and if rumors of Dortmund rejecting a 35M bid are true, we know where this will be heading. Another Sanchez-esque whore-off.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Real Madrid bound as they continue their German reshape is my guess. Very good tonight though and only 19 :eek: he's going to be a world beater in a couple of years

    How good are Germany going to be at the Euro's/WC as well!!!

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