Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by RDCR07, Feb 16, 2011.
Götze has more flair than Welbeck.
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Pretty funny statement to be fair.
Next season Dortmund could line up with Götze, Kagawa and Reus
I can see them doing that gentleman's agreement type thing with him where they ask him to play one more season, before he can then leave.
No one is going to pay £35-40m this summer and then let him go back to them for one whole season. If they pay that much for him, then he will move immediately.
They won't even get him for that imo.
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Mario Gotze this morning
That's all very well, but money talks and Dortmund cannot offer him the contract on offer in England or Spain.
Why didn't we make the offer in this window. If it's expected to be a bit difficult to sign a player then we don't seem to want to try.
We probably did try, perhaps not for Gotze but maybe for other players. We didn't get where we are today by sitting on our backsides and not looking to improve. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised in the slightest if we've lined up a deal or two for the summer.
Anderson + £???
Why the flying fuck would we sell Anderson when he's showed he has undeniable talent. Just because at 23 years of age he's not consistent in arguably the hardest position on the pitch, doesn't mean we'll write him off.
I'd sign the lad in a heartbeat.
Unfortunately he is Madrid/City/Chelsea bound I would fear.
They'll offer the big money and the stupid wages.
Is Chelsea really a big attraction anymore?
Another club who can throw money around if they so choose.
We go in and offer 25 million for the lad, they say no. We offer 30 odd they say no. We offer 32....city come in and say here's 40 and we'll give you 200 grand a week. Madrid offer similar, as to Chelsea say.
We can't match that.
Chelsea or City ain't gonna be offering anyone £200k a week in wages anymore.
Glenn Moore: Financial Fair Play faces its first test as big spenders enter the transfer window - News & Comment - Football - The Independent
25m + Anderson. I think alot of us would be happy with that.
Offering 8-9 players 160-200+k a week with full knowledge that the FFP regulations are coming into play is perfectly acceptable to their board, but offering 1 more player 200k a week 4 months later definitely won't happen. As a matter of fact City could still argue a positive wage trend if they flog the likes of Bridge, Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Weiss, Boyata, Tevez, Onouha & Savic (probably around £750k a week), whilst at the same time signing a couple or three players on 200k a week.
If Chelsea miss out on the Champions League this year I fully expect them to invest 9 figures in the Summer. Everyone can see by the City sponsorship deal that (still) doesn't seem to have been struck off that there are relatively simple ways to bend the rules.
I'm not sure thats a big offer, wasn't Anderson considered to be one of worlds top young talents at the same age? this Gotze could easily go the same way (good but not as good as people making out). I'm not saying we shouldn't go for him as I personally haven't seen enough of him to say we should throw Anderson on top of a £25m bid. But then I only watch the occasional Bundesliga match.
I think City's strategy has become rather obvious; since the Arab takeover they've adopted a mass investment approach in order to build a team that'll get them to the top in as short amount of time as possible, before the FFP regulation come into play to stop their spending. They seem to have had a 'buy now, worry about the consequences later' mindset, designed to thrust them to the top of the footballing world amongst the other big teams in the nick of time before the big FFP clampdown; how they stay there, If they can stay there, has always been second priority for them - getting there was the ultimate goal, for if they couldn't get there before the FFP regulations were introduced then whether or not they could have stayed there would be a purely academic point.
Hence the massive investments of the last few years; they did what was needed, threw caution to the wind and got themselves to a competitive level.
Now they're having to pay the price of their goldrush tactics, they cannot avoid the FFP regulations anymore, they've reached the top and have met with the ever impending regulatory resistance from FIFA; they cannot go any further.
As is well known, City must now slash their wage bills before they can buy, and they have to slash them considerably, and when they do buy they have to be far more shrewd than they have been thus far. Whether they can slash those bills at will is the big question; you say that all they need do is sell Bridge, Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Weiss, Boyata, Tevez, Onouha & Savic, well that's easier said than done when those players are on contract and earning City's silly money; who's gonna make the move worth their while, from a players' perspective I mean, they're hardly a world beating bunch of superstars.
Even if City manage to offload their collection of overpaid, overpriced deadwood, will it be enough? The figures suggest not. Even without buying in replacements for the above job-lot, City will be struggling to meet the conditions of the new regulations; suggestions of City ignoring the regulations or getting around them through in-house sponsorship deals are wide of the mark, the regulations are supported with suitable legislature as to render such tactics almost entirely futile; they may be able to squeeze a few £million past the prying eyes of the independent commission employed to ensure that no income is being declared from dubious sources above market value, but it won't be enough to make any discernable difference to their massive losses if they continue in the same vein as they have been these last few seasons.
City's spending has reached its apex and will now be forcibly curtailed, or else they will not be eligible for European competition, in which case they'd not really be considered a proper football team at all, they'd be nothing more than a bunch of overpaid mercenary clowns who're not allowed to play with the real teams. Such is the way of things.
I agree money plays a part but I think you also have to look at where you have more chances of winning trophies. Its not that we can't match Chelsea by paying £150,000 a week but I think we choose not to. I know we also have a limit as to how much we can pay but as Fergie said before the Glazers are willing to give if he needs it. But if we and Madrid compete, we know who he is going to pick but if he chooses England, then it will be tight battle as to who will get him.
And I prefer Hummels to Subotic to be honest.
I agree however we have two excellent ball playing CB in Smalling and Jones (if you think his best position is indeed CB), we need that rock who heads any incoming cross away ala Vidic.
1) How are they paying this price? I have yet to see any evidence of this. I have likewise yet to see any evidence of them starting to consider avoiding the FFP, with Mancini saying he needs a couple more midfielders to win the League.
2) Why is this well known, because of the regulations that do not even slightly concern them? I'd personally say that all evidence points to them not caring about slashing their wage bill, they'd have paid up Bridge's etc contract if that were the case.
3) I didn't say they needed to sell any of these players at all, they could merely pay up all there contracts and their wage bill would be slashed. Sure their capital expenditure would be high for one season, but again this would not only help trying to illustrate a "positive trend", but also be seen as exceptional expenditure.
4) As I have stated, they do not care if this is "enough", shown by paying Nasri £160+k for warming the bench and Hargreaves probably a fair whack for no other reason than to show they can. If the Regs have any bite whatsoever (in 10-12 years once all the marshmellowy "positive trend" etc BS is over), their policy of achieving overpriced sponsorship deals from Arab companies will see them over the line.
5) Around 75% of their c. £60m commercial revenue comes from Abu Dhabi companies. This isn't "sqeezing a few £m", this is the vast majority. If it carries on increasing year on year at a rate anywhere near what it has been I'm sure they will comfortably be at £100m+ revenue from commercial operations within a year of 12/13. Either Uefa's learned lawyers are just taking an exceptional amount of time to write off the majority of income from the Etihad deal, or they have given the green light for City to continue. I think c. £7m annually from Abu Dhabi tourism is a brilliant deal for both parties!
6) Again all evidence suggests that City do not believe in the foreseeable future that anyone is going to ban them from the Champions League. I believe they feel quite comfortable that the regulations aren't going to seriously effect anyone for some years (after all regulatory periods) and by the time they do (if they do) they will have comfortably sorted their Abu Dhabi based income to cover it.
Then we're in firm disagreement with one another. I'm sure we'll find out before long which one of us is right.
Borussia Dortmund's Mario Gotze targets starting spot for Germany in Euro 2012 - Goal.com
Hey Jaap when is he back for Dortmund? Is it late Jan?
Absolutely there's not even been a nod or a wink to FFP. They'll be at the top table and no one's gonna ban them.
when was that ???
Have him on FM.
I got him on FIFA. The first transfer I made was for him.
I got him at the end of the 3rd season when i had to let go of young to get someone younger. got martinez too to replace carrick and bed in pogba.
The only transfers I made in the first two seasons so far is getting M'Vila and Götze on the first day of the season I started the game. I still haven't made any big transfers. I have only being buying for my youth squad.
I got afellay for 6mil as he was transfer listed at the end of the first season and got rossi in jan because both berba and welbeck got long term injuries which left me with just 2 strikers. Other than that, didnt make any signings till i got martinez and gotze to replace the ageing players.
anways, going really off topic here.
Götze is back from injury. He played in the Winter's Cup for Dortmund on Sunday, where they lost to Düsseldorf on penalties (he missed his) but beat Bremen 1-0 in the match for 3rd place.
Apart from that, there is daily speculation about him, one day it's about him extending his contract, the other day he is quoted that he could leave once it runs out.. Annoying really.
Got him on FIFA as well. 88 at the age of 19. Too good to be true.
Guys, seriously football game talk in the entertainment section. This is purely for made up bullshit and muppetry.
Thank you, gambit.
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