Mathias Pogba - ‘Mourinho was the problem’

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  1. Jan 8, 2019
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    red thru&thru Full Member

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    Also if you look at Jose’s history, he has a fall out with a lot of the top talent in his team. As though he’s trying to make some weird point. He never succeeds either.
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    That is assuming Pobga (or any other player) do that. Journos are shit stirrers and will go for stories from anyone they can, if the players in question say nothing they will go for their relatives (who are often not very smart).
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    We're at the point where players criticise the manager for wanting to be the main man. Where did football all go wrong?

    And what he's said is pure bollocks. Jose did everything to try and get Pogba performing for a long time. Things turned sour on the end but Jose tried and can't be blamed at all. Pogba was one of the players he tried every which way to get him performing.
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    After nearly 40 years in the newspaper industry, I can confirm that it concerns many "prominent" journalists, but fortunately not all.
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    It's almost impressive how little Mathias has said whilst providing so much ammunition to both sides.
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    Tried every which way and failed. Pogba was motivated at the WC and playing for Ole at United. Something doesn't add up.
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    Fortunately yeah :lol:
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    this
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    Are people still apologising for Jose? :houllier:
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    We already knew Mourinho was the problem.
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    Me too. Nothing new from what the brother said there.
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    How can you explain still supporting him even when it was clear he was actively damaging the club? You're supposed to put the best interests of the club first, not the best interests of the manager.
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    Strange comments from Mathias, if you didn't know different you'd think it was Paul that had left United, and not Jose
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    In any sports, sportsmen are everything. Every once in a while you have a ridiculously talented and driven manager/coach that becomes bigger than players themselves but that's rare.
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    The manager wants the players to play a certain way. The players don't like it so they down toys. The team suffers. Managers get fired and the team improves. Conclusion: it was all the manager's fault. Hmm...

    Ronaldo also clashed with Jose (and didn't like Benitez), but he never downed toys. There are many other examples.
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    Indeed. I suppose the big question now is would we rather hear snarky shit from Pogba's camp from his brother or his agent?
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    Pogba nor his agent did themselves any favors post-World Cup, which caused more tension at the club when considering what Jose already inflicted on the club due to transfers and just a poor attitude during pre-season. Pogba being captain (probably undeserving in the first place) and scoring the first match was not a good look for anybody. Then being stripped of the captaincy was worse.

    Jose was the main problem but let's not absolve Pogba from the criticism he justifiably deserved during portions of the first half of this season. He shutdown mentally on the pitch, similar to Bailly, and they were dropped.

    How Jose went about it and the length of being dropped was childish, we can't ignore that. But compared to other players, their effort wasn't nearly as bad as Pogba or Bailly when the shit was hitting the fan.
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    Why did Jose give Pogba the captaincy? Who was making remarks in public undermining the manager after this? After that happened for sure the manager was not going to let Pogba be the main man. Only problem is, he is our best player and the most popular in the dressing room.
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    Sir Matt used to tell the likes of Best to go out and do what he was good at.
    Clough told his team to go and play;let the ball do the work.
    I don’t think Sir Alex told Ronaldo it Cantona what to do.

    It’s nothing new
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    That’s a problem???
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    Tell us something we don’t know - yawn! :rolleyes:
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    Why are we discussing history?

    Let's focus on the present/future.
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    I dont expect him to put in an 8/10 performance every week. I do expect him to not be among the worst on the pitch once shit hits the fan.For the talent he has, he's been wildly inconsistent.

    And I dont see how this describes every player ever. The great players are the ones that make the ones around them better and are the first into the breach when shit looks bleak. Pogba doesnt fit either decription. He's a very talented player, but won't be one of his generation's greatest I think. And that's not for lack of talent to kick a ball around a strip of grass.
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    Good old Jose. Told us before a ball was kicked that we were in for a rough season, then went out to make sure his prophecy came true. He was a problem all right, but one of many. Not many come out of this smelling of roses.
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    Spot on. Against Spurs SAF did not say anything except " Lads its only Tottenham".
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    Your school history teacher would be so disappointed in you right now.
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    Mathias Pogba was right.

    The coach is the management tool, he is responsible (and paid) to ensure that there is no discipline or motivational problem in the squad.

    If the players are spoiled, childish, lazy or angry, it's still his fault, with his leadership qualities he must be able to solve such problems that, more or less, exist in all teams.

    Mourinho didn't do it, perhaps because he himself has become a little too comfortable after all years. It was also clear that he himself, not least through his behavior in the media, created problems.

    So instead of being the management tool, he became a burden and the reason was his shortcomings as a leader.

    Altogether his own fault.
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    For Jose, yes. You cant lose the trust of a player that influential.
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    the stats disagree with you.
    And yeah you don't like Pogba, De Jong is better huh

    Pogba is only 25 and with his WC ( the leader on and off the pitch ) , he achieved more than your country in football :lol:

    but he isn't world class :cool:
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    What he says is a bit like saying grass is green or the sky is blue, I think the vast majority of people recognize this was the case. People can accuse the players of under-performing or sandbagging, but he managed to alienate and put down so many of the squad with his behaviour and comments it was ridiculous.

    He called Pogba a virus, but at times I almost thought Mourinho was someone's Trojan Horse. Certainly in his last six months or so his increasingly erratic behaviour and cryptic comments, allied to him putting down his players and saying they weren't good enough on such a regular basis when he was clearly aware that his time had run out and was trying to work his ticket mean that United were in disarray, to put it mildly.
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    He is ofcourse already very successful, but football is a teamsport. Olivier Giroud has also won the world cup, yet I wouldnt rate him above Harry Kane.

    Pogba is obviously a great player, but the problem lied with both him and Mourinho, not just Mourinho. And for what it's worth, I think Pogba is a brilliant bloke and Mourinho one of the biggest cnuts in the history of professional sports.

    I'd finish with saying something about the cringworthy ad hominems, but I don't want to sound like a cnut, so I won't.
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    you already sound like a... so go ahead :rolleyes:

    And Giroud wasn't the best striker of the World Cup while Pogba was the best midfielder, the stats back him and his goal in the final too ;)
    If Pogba was in the english NT, maybe they would have won the World Cup with his amazing leadership on and off the pitch and his amazing performances or your NT would have played the World Cup instead of being bullied by him in the qualifiers ;)

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    But he isn't world class huh
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    I very much doubt Pogba "doesn't even calculate" how much attention people pay to him (unless he means he doesn't literally sit there with a calculator working it out, which would be weird).

    I doubt there is any professional player who doesn't think about how much attention they're getting, never mind probably one of the top 5 marketing tools in world football.

    I just don't care about all this really. I was never that concerned with how Pogba behaves in his own time. I wasn't happy with his performances on the pitch, or his inability to pay attention during games, and ultimately unhappy with Mourinho for not seeming to have a solution to it that didn't involve playing Fellaini more often.

    So far under Ole Pogba's had three fantastic performances, and even against Newcastle when I thought he was hit and miss, he still seemed completely focused on the game and helping the team. If he keeps it up no one will care why it didn't work under Mourinho, and if he keeps it up he'll also go from being our biggest problem to our best player fairly quickly.

    He's shown he can play really well in the odd game or in patches before though when he's focused enough. Consistency is what's missing.
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    Were you there?
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    The job of the manager was to get the whole team performing with Pogba included. And he didn't.
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    I never said this. Read my first post. He's world class when the conditions are right, hence he is sometimes world class.

    Anyway, I'm happy that you really like Pogba and that he's in fine form.

    I will now slowly back away from this trainwreck. Bubye :D:wenger::houllier::rolleyes::nervous::lol:
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    It's obvious to everyone that Jose was the virus. It's also obvious that the players downed tools but I don't blame them. I would too if my immediate superior was a prick as Mourinho turned out to be.

    The performances in these last few games prove that.

    Good riddance, and this is from one of the guys that wanted him in the first place. I apologise to you all, I was wrong.
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    Yet a relatively rookie manager has extracted more in a matter of weeks than Jose did in over two years. I guess Pogba was just a big bully and didn’t like Jose or something?
    Another poster explained it above. If the manager isn’t responsible for motivating his team and instilling a good working environment, then what exactly is his job?