Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Bastian, Jul 14, 2018.
He didn't have to do either interview nor post-match press conference? Where are the videos??
He did the presser, it's on YouTube. Nothing noteworthy, mind.
Yeah I'd rather have a manager that's not stupid enough to play open against City away and get trashed 6-0
It's better than a false dawn. If 6-0 exposes who's not.good enough to play his style so be it. Sometimes you must take a step back to go forward. As crazy as it sounds.
I get this but again sarri wants to drill his plan A into the team first . It will highlight and seperate clearly who works and who dosent work. Jorginho is safe for him at this stage because the system and style is proven to work with him in it. It's also possible hes busted flush,flop and complety ill suited in England but his position will only be taken by another passer.
The fear is changing it around will leave the team in two different minds and further away from being the finished article- even if it gave better result in the short term. Its important to keep what works and then work around what doesnr work. The problem is nothing is working at all atm. That's why when they asked him about plan B he said he wants Plan A to work first and then think about changing afterwards. It's very possible he could be flexible but it doesn't make sense from his POV to be flexible now because he wants to drill the fundamental idea of his football and conflicting message is counter productive.
If they didn't get these hammerings playing this style during the teething period how would he know what adjustments need to be made or how to take the team forward and which areas to address? Just like pep couldn't play high intensity pressing football with sagna, zabaleta, clichy etc and other deadwood but he had to keep playing the same way because the ones he did plan to keep needed to be well rehearsed in their roles for the next season to hit ground running. Setting up the team in different way would've been very possible to protect these aging defenders but it would've left city further behind in their overall progression the next year.
Anways theres way way more deadwood at chelsea and less players suitdd to his football. Just my thoughts on it.
He's turning into a clueless idiot.
The problem is you're basing your argument on a point as if it's a fact that this style is good for a big club, or it's definitely going to work if they brought him the players. Well it's not. There's absolutely no indication so far that his style is going to work in the league, and they aren't even good to watch when they have the ball, so there's no reason for Chelsea to endure this tbh.
When they hired him the reasoning was he's going to play some good football and stick around the top 3-4. 8 months in and they are still boring under Sarri but instead of being boring and winning as in the past they are now boring and losing 4 and 6-0 while dropping to 6th.
So why should Chelsea insist with Sarri's vision while he didn't provide even the basic behind appointing him which is playing good football, while fecking their midfield and alienating their second best player?
Pep has 2 key differences from Sarri :
A) He's a proven winner. He has a fantastic record in leagues and CL prior to City so risking it with him is more understandable than a manager who is his 60 and no big club though of him.
B) Pep actually adapted to the league a lot. He implied his style but tweaked several things for it to work here. Fernandinho is far more aggressive DMF than any of his DMFs in Barca and Bayern, as he realized in PL such position needs more work rate and aggression than good passing or technique while being weak on the ball. It's better to have a strong DMF to cover for your attacking midfield and also, Pep rarely press with the entire team highly in a like he used to do in his previous teams. He always keep some players on the midline now in order to intercept any chance of counter on his team while the attacking players are pressing, which is something possession based teams usually got punished for in England.
What part of the tactics actually succeeded in their purpose? None.
It looks like he needs to clear out almost all of squad to get his style to work. Tbh i feel bad for Sarri, he got all them players who love to play shit to get manger fired once shit dont go their way. Chealse club will be sorted one way or other but whoever they keep as manager, they need to make sure they ship out all them players. Otherwise its never gonna work for anybody more than half a season. But i love we are fourth beacuse of their mess.
No chance. United are not stupid. There will be a non-compete clause in his termination agreement which means he cannot manage until the end of the season.
Wenger to Chelsea?
After some thinking post the initial high of enjoying Chelsea's misery, I think it would be wrong to sack him just yet, from a neutral's perspective. The fact is, possession based football is very difficult to implement in the league. LvG, Pep and Sarri have all struggled.
Out of these, LvG had moderate success in his first season with a hint of how it could have been (Juanfield etc). Pep struggled in his first season but as he's an exceptional manager with a blank cheque book, it was always going to be a hit. Of course, their styles are not the same, but Sarri needs a transfer window and time till Christmas to implement his style.
That's the board problem. If you hire Sari you would have to back his philosophy . If they weren't going to do this there was no point to hire him in the first place. Whilst it didn't win anything it has shown capable of playing very good football and results and napoli did take an upward trajectory under his management. Juve took their best player and the team was even stronger rackjng up 90 points- a club record.
I would expect most previous Chelsea managers to make better use of the current squad in the short term but but Its too limited to move higher than 4th/5th anyway. I wouldn't expect the same tools that brought success for Mourinho and Conte to be successful for Sarri at all.
Hell even pep had followed another attacking coach in pellegrini at City, spent big money on top of some good players fernandinho one of them , and still flopped in the 1st year winning zilch. Chelsea for now is still in 4 competitions and although I hear everyone talk about the midfield there's nothing factual to back it up. The team finished out of top 4 with Kante in his best position last year so it's their level you could say.
On the comparison between pep and sarri there's not much difference in the fundamenrals of their Football both of them play the positional game, believe in possesion, constant movement and defending the ball not the man- only peps vision was backed by txiki and the owners and together with open chequebook he produced his football. Why else wojld you choose City otherwise? Sarri may or may not win but no-one can tell at this stage. Either the club begins to dispose of the trash and get 4/5 more plyers capable to play a possession based system or sack sarri and revert back to type with defensive manager. The club will decide what direction they want.
Sarri, is all that you can say
Punditry is easy. You can spin anything into either a positive or negative. Mourinho dropping Pogba? The positive thing to say would be, the manager is setting high standards and asserting his authority. The negative spin, the manager is not allowing him to play his way back into form and is a bad man manager.
Then Gary Neville becomes a manager and we all realised how badly he did. All that talk, and he's not even a decent manager.
I'm no fan of Mourinho nowadays, but I've got more respect for him than I do for these talking heads on the telly.
I hope this is fake.
I don't like fans who wear fake kits and complain about "lack of spending" and "players being paid so much and still being shite"
One thing is tactics, the other part is player management and it seems it his here Sarri is lacking. Any idiot can have a tactical plan, but having a plan and having it executed properly are two different things entirely. Pep might be a bit precious, but he has never thrown his player under the bus in the media like Sarri has done. In other words, it is pretty evident the players are not buying the philosophy Sarri is selling and that is a huge problem.
Then you might say Chelsea does not have the right personnel for this kind of tactics. Im not convinced by that personally since they are professionals and should be able to adapt, but even if thats the case then Sarri did not do his homework this summer when he was brought in. If it was "impossible" for this Chelsea squad to play his style of football he should have identified those players right away and replaced them.
But you were telling us at the start of the season that Sarri doesn't believe in transfer market and believes in improving the current players, whatever happened to that?
If the manager's job is to improve the the players then he's currently failing massively.
He can apply his philosophy while also tweaking the formation a little bit to suit the league.
As I said previously to another poster he simply can put Jorginho as DMF but play with double pivot putting Kante beside him in defensive role to support the defense and putting an attacking midfielder or a number 10 in front of them, thus played with someone at the back to pass and also kept the team stable all around. There're loads of options but his stubbornness will lead him nowhere.
Away from the similarities and differences in the league, my main point was Pep didn't just go and blindly applied his style as it's and just needed money. He also adapted to the league and realized there're certain requirements you need to have in order for your formation to work so he applied his style while tweaking few things to make it work there. You can't go and blindly apply your style in England anyway.
I lost it when he gave the special shout out to Marcos Alonso Fake or not, that was a good laugh.
Since that defeat, I imagine shares in Phillip Morris have taken an upswing.
rightly or wrongly, hes going nowhere
Am I mad for thinking they're going to beat City in the League Cup final? Maybe on penalties or something.
They're not gonna get spanked twice in a row so you'd never know.
Happened to Arsenal last season
I think for a cup final we can all go back to routing for Chelsea but I cannot see anything other than another comfortable City win
They'll get beat 3-0. There's no way they'll get another 6 past them.
I personally don't hate him, and was happy that he won the FA Cup before he left. But his football was really dire to watch. Utd went through a series of games with zero shots on target in the first half. It's symptomatic of the dire style of play. He and utd just wasn't the right fit
Chelsea will get spanked in the final. They are a home team, 1970s Brazil would shit the bed at Stamford Bridge. That ground is the toughest fixture of the season for 90% of the league.
We wouldn't be allowed to do that unless we were paying his wages.
Given the sulpherous nature of the man he will have been paid off and signed an NDA.
We can't restrict where he works but we can get him to shut up....until I suspect July 1st when he will royally slag us off I suspect.
That's not how non-compete clauses work hence the nature of the actual term (in Australian law anyway which is based off the English system).
I have a non-compete clause in my current work contract which says I cannot engage with any client or co-worker of my current firm for a period of two years after the ending of my contract. I dare say when his Contract was terminate, the deed of settlement and release would include a non-compete clause for the remainder of the current football season.
Yh I don't think you're far off, it's an issue with the PL in general I feel - that it's harder to implement a possession based game. In recent years you've had LVG, Pep and Sarri come to the PL and struggle to implement their styles in their first seasons. LVG finished 17pts off Chelsea, Pep finished 15pts off Chelsea and Sarri is currently 15pts off Liverpool. LVG refused to adapt, Pep embarked on the big summer blowout where he bought an entire back 5 & B Silva and we're yet to see how Sarri fares but none of them had much luck first season.
Apologies if already posted
It's an issue in any league, can't play a high block, high pressing possession style of football without players who are both technically excellent and know the system already tactically.
Very easy to get destroyed on the counter if you make mistakes, or if you play open against a team much better at it. As we did against Bournemouth and City.
Not sure if Sarri can succeed without adapting. Was easier in serie A I think with Napoli to play his style.
I thought we looked a better team without Kante and Hazard on the pitch against Malmö. Not sure system suits either.
I reckon he'll get the sack if we beat them in the Cup.
They should either sack him now or back him and give him time and support to implement what he wants. This squad has been best with playing a more pragmatic counter attacking approach, but that's not why you appoint Sarri. If they want to move away from that style and towards a style like Sarri had at Napoli which was absolutely brilliant then they need to trust him. I think it's likely that they will miss out on top 4 this season and next season no matter what they do, and although they have a better chance with a different manager I think Sarri will get them to play better in the long run.
He's doing worse than Emery. At least Emery wouldn't try to play Ozil as a defensive mid, as that's pretty much what Sarri is doing by playing Kante as an attacking mid.
I feel like players like Luiz and Hazard are great when it comes to technique, but care very little about the tactical side.
Poor comparison. Kante is a ball winner. Kante doesn’t have to be the deepest midfielder to win the ball.
Emery does not play Ramsey or Ozil. It’s laughable. Arsenal fans want him out.
Emery would drop Kante instead?
Emery isn't playing Ozil.
I feel Sarri has got undue stick for this Kante nonsense. Kante was never a DM for Leicester. He played the dynamic role in a two man midfield next to Drinkwater.
Chelsea need to.make hard choices. If they want to implement Juego de posicion, which is why they brought Sarri in, they should give him the tools. Allow Sarri to bench Kante of he can't play in a three.
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