Mesut Özil retires from "die Mannschaft"

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  1. Jul 22, 2018
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    OutlawGER Full Member

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    Mesut Özil retires from "die Mannschaft" according to Bild.

    In my opinion the DFB did everything wrong, they should have suspended him right after he made those pictures instead of using him as the scapegoat for the WC failure.
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    Kazi Full Member

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    Poor guy
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    That would probably be worse?
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    Cloud7 Full Member

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    Forgive my ignorance, but what pictures are those?
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    Grindel has to go now for sure imo. He's done.
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    hasanejaz88 Full Member

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    The DFB have been an utter disgrace in how they've handled this. No one in the management came out to ever defend him when critics, even their own teams manager Bierhoff, and public lashed at him.

    A sad end to a fantastic career for Germany, utterly devastated. I hope we can remember him for being one of the best attacking players for Germany ever rather than the pathetic rhetoric spewed out lately against him.
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    Hernandez - BFA The Way to Fly

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    I don't see what Ozil did wrong with those pictures. German media fecked him.
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    A disaster like that won't be without casualties. I feel that Ozil is the sacrificial lamb after the shambles that passed for the German national team.
  12. Jul 22, 2018
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    The first of 3 tweets - you can see the rest on his timeline.
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    Excuse my ignorance. I understand Erdoğan's politics and loathe them. I also understand that Özil is proud of his Turkish ancestry. I just don't get why posing with Erdogan is such a big deal. If he wants to associate with a potential dictator how does that affect die Mannschaft and the performance of the other twenty odd players? If he wishes to be a mascot for a bad cause let him. Surely it's (Germany) a free country?
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    He made this picture right ahead of the WC. A huge scandal in Germany because he represents the German NT and Erdogan is seen as a huge enemy in Germany.
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    Feel sorry for him because he's a model example for perfect assimilation into German culture and is as German as the next guy, but I can't accept him meeting Erdogan had nothing to do with his political views. It was certainly tacit support for Erdogan.
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    It was a terrible move to scapegoat him just before the start of the WC. It was also totally undeserved.

    Ozil made the right decision. I think him and the DFB are done.
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    Grindel and that fecker Bierhoff should go
    . I really can't stand Bierhoff he's so arrogant and annoying. I hope Gündogan doesn't retire
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    As i said, imo Özil had to be suspended before the WC. There was no other option. But they fecked everything up.
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    @OutlawGER @bucky Cheers. Didn’t know that Erdogan was regarded as an enemy in Germany.

    I can see both sides of this, but looking at what’s been said, I can’t help but feel that Ozil has been hung out to dry here.
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    there's been a lot of obsession in Germany when it comes to players with foreign roots. Even before all of that, there were regular discussions about Özil, Gündogan etc. singing the anthem, being proud of Germany and stuff like that. And Erdogan is pretty much seen as the devil in Germany, and Özils and Gündogans photo with him was seen by many as justification for their prejudices against those players.
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    Good thing he retired since Low would have kept picking him.
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    Heartbreaking reading that :(

    This was a real clusterf*ck of a situation and DFB are firmly responsible for this.
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    Talk about hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, at the start of his letter:
    "I have two hearts, one German, one Turkish".

    At the end of his letter:
    "Are there criteria for being fully German which I do not fit? My friend Lukas Podolski and Miroslav Klose are never referred to as German-Polish, so why am I German-Turkish? Is it because it is Turkey? Is it because I'm Muslim? I think here lays an important issue. By being referred to as German-Turkish, it is already distinguishing people who have family from more than one country".

    Well gee, one surefire way of being referred to as German-Turkish would be by describing yourself as half German and half Turkish. :houllier:
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    hasanejaz88 Full Member

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    No, he should not have been suspended. The DFB should have been with him the whole way as he was expressing a right to opinion. But they were weak and pathetic infront of the public and now we learn the president is a massive d*ck as well.

    Ozil was one of Germany's best players during arguably the best era for the team since the 80's. The way he was treated was a disgrace.
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    He lives in a bubble. Does not seem to realize what people are up in arms about. Some of it was certainly unjustified, but he is narrowing his focus to only a portion of the issue and lashing out. Seems like he means well, but just lacks awareness.
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    Huh? The DFB made a mess of dealing with the situation, but Özil was completely foolish for not realising (or ignoring) the impact he would have made by creating it in the first place.
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    What do you think the reaction in England would be like if say someone like David Beckham had posed with Robert Mugabe a few years ago?
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    Yep, he's playing the victim.
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    Exactly.

    He's not entirely blameless in all of this .

    I think this is for the best anyway.
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    Ozil quitting, shocking for an Arsenal player. This has been handled badly by so many people.
    At least he won't be as fatigued next year, god he's so mentally weak. Talented player but no balls, just sums up the end of Wenger's reign.
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    It's pretty clear he means he sees himself as a member of a diaspora but not a Turkish national. Hence the part about choosing to play for Germany and paying taxes there. He's not being a hypocrite.

    If you were an Englishman but born and raised in - oh I don't know - Poland and you were called John Smith and not Polanski Polazowski or whatever and your family spoke the Queens at home you'd feel the same way.
    I would support Beckham's right to be a mug. It's a free nation. And if Beckham had done it he wouldn't have copped half the crap a black Rhodesian origin player of similar stature would have. In both cases I would support the player's right to make an ass of themselves.
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    Podolski openly did not celebrate his two goals vs Poland on Euro 2008, why isn't he referred to as German-Polish then?

    Ozil's point is perfectly valid, the fact that here doesn't look 'German' is the reason he is referred to as German-Turkish. How he feels about his country of ancestory should have nothing to do with how people identify him, especially since he plays for the country and represents them (rather than someone like Sahin or Cahanalogu who both play for Turkey).
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    Did you just compare Erdogan to Robert Mugabe? Christ you are utterly clueless to anything outside your country.
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    Been made a scapegoat.
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    Why is football being mixed with politics? So, if someone don't really appreciate Merkel's politics so he shoudln't take a picture with her? How would germans react? Are people obliged to do or not to do just because most of the people think its right or wrong?

    Did he mention anything about supporting or not Erdogan politics? Cant really understand. Football it's football, politics it's politics.
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    Can't help but feel a bit bad for the guy but at the same time I think he's being somewhat one-sided. Considering how aggressive Erdogan has been towards Germany at times, he should've understood that those pictures were dynamite.
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    hasanejaz88 Full Member

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    Anyone from Turkey would not have said what you said, so the point still stands.
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    Have to say I can't see a big deal. Just more hysteria. The world is losing it's mind unfortunately.I blame the 24h news cycle, twitter and social media.

    Ozil is not a politician and it's with his Arsenal shirt. If he's proud of his heritage why not take a photo with the Turkish president. In no way is that a political statement or even endorsement.
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    Only if politics worked like that. He will shrug this off as nothing ever happened. He will ride on the support of many Germans who are inherently anti-immigrant.

    This is where the issue is. On what grounds can you suspend a footballer for a social photo?