Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by PoTMS, Sep 24, 2017.
What motivation does he have to play well for Arsenal apart from a top 4 finish and the odd FA Cup? If I played for Arsenal, I'd be tempted to collect the pay and slack off too.
Put him in a team with an ambitious manager and he will follow suit. This could be like the Matic signing where he really steps up for us.
However, I don't think him signing is a given. At the moment, Jose's non-commital response about him suggests he is a target, but whether he's first choice or not remains to be seen.
Duncan has said he is not our first option and interest us because he will command nil transfer fee.
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Some main points from the podcast-
Sanchez will move, could be as early as january due to bids by other clubs including PSG.
Ozil is not first option, mourinho wants a more dynamic option at number 10. Does not give any names who he wants.
Says Ozil will leave for one of the big 3, man utd,Barca, Real and may not go for a lower club and stay at arsenal.
Says Jose wants to keep herrera at all costs and also young. Says Luke shaw's chance has gone and his contract will only be extended to sell him. Fellaini wants more years and high wage, no progress on that, Juan mata is expendable so is daley blind.
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So why hasnt Jose done that with Mkhitaryan?
Dont get me wrong, having Ozil be nice. On song, there's not much better. However, people do keep saying he was good under Jose at Madrid. He was, but that was llike 5 years ago now.
Ozil himself spoke about how Jose’s treatment of him got the best out of him. Said so in his book.
Why it doesn’t work with Mkhitaryan is because not everyone is the same.
Mkhitaryan has a fragile mentality. Ozil is just a laid back footballer like Berbatov.
The more you push Ozil the better he becomes, that is not the same with Mkhitaryan who goes into his shell when you push him.
Ozil being twice the player that Mkhi is probably helps. Ozil even on his most shit days can provide defence splitting passes and moments of genius, when Mkhi has a shit day (most days) we might as well play with 10 men.
My point is that Jose is a much more motivating manager than Wenger. What’s Wenger going to say to you? Jose publicly outs players, gives them ultimatums, drops them if needed. No ones safe from him. He builds a competitive squad.
Mkhitaryan has been dropped, and he’s never performed at Ozil’s level in the past. What’s your point?
My point is that Jose hasnt got the same performance from Mkhi that we saw at Dortmund, despite dropping him and giving them ultimatums, etc, so why are we thinking it will work with Ozil?
Ozil was just a much better player 5 years ago. Had more about him. He was also playing with top, top players.
Mkhi is not as good as Ozil, I know that. However, we know Mkhi is much better than what he has shown this season.
My question is, why are we not seeing the performances we saw early on in the season, or even at Dortmund, and who's to say we wont see the same performances incosistecy from Ozil if he were to come here?
Because Ozil is only inconsistent for Arsenal; where the manager has been described as tactically inept by his former players.
Ozil is still putting in good performances for Germany as if he is a different player than at Arsenal. Ozil at Real Madrid was also influential in big games.
There is very little to compare between Mkhitaryan and Ozil; an inconsistent Ozil has put in good performances against City and Chelsea in the FA cup last season, and against Tottenham this season.
You nudge Mkhitaryan and he turns the ball over. Ozil is on a different planet compared to Mkhi.
Second bullet point would make much more sense.
Its the reason why Jose plays/played Mkhi/Lingard at 10 instead of Mata.
Question is, who is out there, who is good enough?
Dybala and Griezmann are more second strikers than playmakers. However, if we are to continue playing with roaming wingers, who cut inside, it'll allow our 10 to make runs in behind, whilst the responsibility will fall upon our wide players to create.
Sell Mkhitaryan and Mata and bring in Ozil for free and another young talented #10. Makes sense for the team and makes sense financially.
Because Ozil is a fundamentally a better player than Mkhi, Ozil has performed under Mourinho before so they know what’s required from each other, Mkhi has never in the past performed at the level Ozil did at RM and even times at Arsenal.
I’d love to see Mkhi succeed, but I just think Ozil is a better player. And if there’s anyone that can get a boot up his arse it’s Mourinho.
Just hope he doesn't come out looking like he has a point to prove for Mourinho. Maybe we should assure him that he can stay invisible tonight and still be within our sights as a target.
Fekir is probably a great option. If I'm not mistaken he has come back from his injury and is playing well. At the age where he is ready to take the next step up, no?
Yes, he is better. I'm not disputing that. I'm simply saying, why are we not seeing the perfromances from Mkhi that he was capable of at Dortmund? He was excellent, both in the league and champions league, and won Bundesliga Player of the Year. That's some achievement.
Mourinho would have done a lot of scouting prior to buying Mkhi. He knew what he was getting. As a manager, it is his responsibility to get the best out of his players. At the moment, he is not doing that with Mkhi. Yes, he's not doing himself any favours, but Jose needs to be looking at why we're not getting the same performances. Right formation, right players, right tactics, etc.
There are many players from Dortmund that struggle outside of Dortmund. They are a club that looks to nurture talent. The environment there is completely different from a club like United which is extremely cut throat.
Sometimes a player cannot make that step up, and its very difficult to predict if they will or not. Mkhitaryan looked like a good signing but sometimes they don't work out.
You guys saw that warm hug between Pogba and Ozil? He is coming here, I tell you.
JK about the coming here part.
They did have a friendly hug
If it's "fairweather" in May and he assists 3 goals for us to sneak the league from S***...it'll be worth 10X what we pay for him.
Even if he's a a squad player..chipping in with 12 assists and 6 goals til lend of the season it would be worth it.
What's so silly about my comment?
That is ridiculous.
Like he is apparently doing with Luke Shaw?
Yeah true, Luke Shaw is at the same level as Ozil.
Do you know the difference between a players ability and their motivation?
Him and Martial seemed quite friendly....
Was very good today. Sign him up.
Sign him up, the guy creates lots of chances, will take a lot of pressure off Pogba to be the main attacking force. Jose has worked with him before and knows him well. We need someone like him right now.
What the feck is with this extremely odd argument and comparing players? The same way you and I aren't the same, is the same way Shaw and Ozil aren't. Ozil has fecking said himself that Jose's treatment and management worked wonders on him. How much more fecking evidence do you need, it's coming from the actual source.
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After the game scenes.
Before the game he was very "paly" with paul pogba. Looks like he is throwing himself at us, I think he knows he is second choice but is batting his eyelashes at us.
imagine the damage we'd have done on the counter with him in our side today.
Would have been amazing.
Who would he have replaced in today’s starting eleven though ? Couldn’t leave Lingard out on that performance.
Interesting yes but he probably knows most of our management team from his real days.
Well they lost a game 3-1 to top 4 rivals and him coming down specifically to meet all of them and smiling (i saw it on tv) , lets say he knows he is being linked to us and was aware of what he was doing.
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