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    RB7N Full Member

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    Is there any rules about players who have played for the senior side in CL can’t play in the youth version?
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    Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot

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    If a player has played 3 CL or EL games then he is ineligible for the UEFA-Youth League.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    Not really sure where this goes, but probably best to hide it here away from the loonies in the United Forum.

    Despite it being great that the like of Chong, Greenwood, Gomes and Garner are getting to play in the first team, what they have contributed seems to have added up to the sum total of nil. Neither have they impeded our play in any way, so they have not been a detriment.

    Obviously, because of the injuries, we need some players to make up the numbers, but considering how lauded they have been, I was hoping to see something more.

    You will probably think I am being harsh, but Rashford did come into the first team, in similar circumstances (loads of injuries and no one else) and ripped it up.

    These guys all need to go out on loan next season and get a full season of 'adult' football under their belts, to see if they have the temperament to make it at United.
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    Remember the geese New Member

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    "Hide it away from the loonies". Do you see the irony here? Greenwood for example has probably had 15-20 minutes in the first team. Half of which was for a team defending a 3-1 lead in Paris, the other half in a game where we were 2-0 down. I actually agree with you in the sense that Chong is a good candidate to go out on loan (not the others), but still, what you're expecting is very unrealistic.
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    In Rainbows Full Member

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    You're incredibly unrealistic. Gomes was given like 5 minutes. Greenwood was given like 10 minutes. Chong was given about 20-30 minutes. Garner about 3.

    Not sure what you're expecting. The fault doesn't lie with them. It lies with the coaching staff for not given them a legit opportunity if you do see that as a problem.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    Stick to slagging of Jerey Corbyn and masturbating over Porsche's Colin.
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    Adnan Full Member

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    L'equipe reported afew days ago that we're interested in the the New Pogba. I watched a YouTube vid and do see why they make that comparison. He looks a brilliant talent at 17 and is already playing for Sochaux's first team.

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    Lash Full Member

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    That is ridiculous how similar in style he is to pogba in that video. I can see why were interested.
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    I couldn't believe how similar he is to Pogba. Could be moulded into any midfield role it seems. Barca almost signed him last year for €5m but the player turned them down due to not wanting to play in their B team according to Catalan press. At the age of just 17 he looks a frightening prospect for midfield. Man City and Everton also interested it seems. Everton are enticing him with a role in the first team from what i've read.
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    Lash Full Member

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    I’ll have to look out for him when I catch ligue un games. I can’t imagine he’s like that all game. It would be a great move for him, Everton. He’d walk into their midfield, considering they don’t actually own Gomes.
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    Very talented. Doubt he'll want to play for our U23s though, and we are really stacked on first team midfield quantity at the moment.
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    In Rainbows Full Member

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    Who would you rather have, him or Gravenberch?

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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Wow, this is like watching young Pogba. Very similar in style.
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    Surprised Ajax aren't in the fold to replace De Jong with him. He looks very strong for a player so young, he'll be a gem for whoever signs him, you basically can mould him into any type of midfielder.
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    100s of players have been hyped for no real reason up over the years.

    From what I can see Greenwood is the only one that really merited it in a while. He's barely 17 and hasn't really played much though so maybe have some patience.

    Chong is a very average footballer. Gomes is a bit better but not ready. Garners only a young kid who played 3 minutes.

    Your expectations are unrealistic.
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    I think it boils down to the fact that as a whole our academy has been underachieving over the past few years, average players are being built up way above their actual talent, who then by no fault of their own fail to make the grade. There is a common misconception that our academy makes great players, this isn't the case, our academy coaching is very poor in comparison to it's peers.
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    GroteBergMan98 Youth ITK

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    How much academy football have you actually watched over the world because you sound like you haven't got a fecking clue what you're talking about?
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    I disagree with this. Our academy produces more PL players that any other. It's not even close.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    Over the world? Very little. Is that a prerequisite for having an opinion all of a sudden.

    Let me guess, you think Chong is the next Giggs and you're upset because someone criticised him.

    Try adding something to the discussion next time.
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    GroteBergMan98 Youth ITK

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    I've added more to this forum than you have for sure. It is a preqequisite for having an opinion in this case as you have no clue how players develop. I've seen these lads develop over the past three years and have seen them play against the best in the world. The fact you say Chong is a very average footballer and what you say about the other players shows you have absolutely no understanding of football at all.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    Mate, I've followed the academy closely for 20 years. I've seen hundreds of young players develop. By playing against the best in the world you literally just mean the same tournaments we've all followed them in.

    I have no idea who you are. If you have an argument, make an argument. Claiming some sort of knowledge authority is not an argument.
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    Your living in the past, our recent crop haven't been good enough.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    I'm not. The stats are clear. The PL is currently littered with former United academy players. Moreso than any other academy
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    See above
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    SteveW Full Member

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    Not sure what you mean here?
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    Maagge enjoys sex, doesn't enjoy women not into ONS

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    Dash247 New Member

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    Even he falls like how Pogba does.
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

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    What Beaucoup means is we did produce those players and they're already established, but we're unlikely to continue doing so, not that we never produced them at all.
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    Maagge enjoys sex, doesn't enjoy women not into ONS

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    So it's a feeling basically?
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    We have more competition when it comes to recruiting top tier talent, whereas previously we would almost have a free run at them. There is a misconception that our academy creates players, with isn’t true. Therefore our quality has taken a dive, hence the fact we are aggressively trying to recruit better players further down the line, not coach the ones we have better.

    As my original post it not these players fault that we hype them and they fail to make the grade, it simply that they weren’t good enough in the first place.
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    Completely agree with this. I've thought for a long time that we need to update our philosophy in the academy. The focus on individualism, lack of team focus and tactical education is really backward IMO.

    We can help elevate players to top level status because of our profile and I'd go as far to say that no other club in the world can create "superstar" statuses from scratch as we do. We've elevated Rashford to a status way beyond his current level of perfromance and that's a big part of how we sell ourselves to younger players now, by offerring to make them into superstars. A really unhealthy recruitment model tbh. I thought we were moving towards more of a Barca/City/Chelsea model in the younger age groups but it seems from what you've said here that we're not.
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Thiagoal Full Member

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    And how many top class (or even average) players have City or Chelsea produced in the past ten years? United's list is bigger let me assure you!
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    lysglimt Full Member

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    Depends what you consider top-class. I wouldnt say United have produced many top-class players either. But if you look at players of high quality - at least top flight, Chelseas record is quite good. So when it comes to producing Young talents, Chelsea aren't doing too bad. City is another matter!

    The ones I can recall:
    Tammy Abraham
    Jack Cork
    Scott Sinclair
    Patrick Van Aanholt
    Nathan Ake
    Nathan Chalobah
    Dominic Solanke
    Ruben Loftus Cheek
    Fabio Borini
    Callum Hudson Odoy
    Eddie Nketiah (before Arsenal took him)
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    In recent years and in the near future Chelsea will probably be producing more top flight players than us. Their depth at academy level is ridiculous so their sheer numbers compared to us is way more. While we tend to just focus on a few top talents and then it goes downhill pretty fast after them.
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    This is the key word in your post.
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    Beaucoup Full Member

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    I don't think Senior is associated with the club anymore, doubt the academy will be happy with this.