Modern Draft R1: Skizzo vs. Mjj

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Who will win this match

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  1. Team Skizzo

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  2. Team Mjj

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  1. Oct 9, 2018
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    Skizzo -----------------------vs. ---------------------------Mjj

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    Tactics Team Skizzo

    Formation - Fluid 433

    Starting in goal is one of the top keepers of his generation, and United's best player for consecutive seasons now, David de Gea. He's kept United in games they had no right in getting anything out of, and has played at a consistently high level for years now. In front of him is Toby Alderwireld and Kostas Manolas. Two center backs who are defenders first and foremost. Manolas often playing the covering role for his defensive partner, while Alderwireld being most of the playmaker from the back. David Alaba and Sergi Roberto flank them, and are important to how the team will play. Both of them are great full backs, but both are also comfortable playing in midfield and operating in different areas.

    Sergio Busquets takes up his usual position in front of the back four, and while we don't have a Barcelona style tiki taka team around him, his defensive acumen will be appreciated, and he has ball players around him to recycle possession as needed.

    Mario Gotze takes up one of the attacking central midfield roles, and will partner Oscar. Both players are defensively astute, Oscar playing a deeper midfield role at Chelsea on occasion, and Gotze being a part of Klopp's rock and roll Dortmund team. Both will look to press hard when losing the ball, and push up to support the attack when in possession.

    Ivan Perisic and Jose Callejon will play as wingers, pushing up and primarily offering width, with license to come inside when the opportunity arises. Both will look to drop deeper and defend to stop the full backs bombing on against us. Sergio Aguero will play as our striker, looking to link up with the other forward players and put away any chances that come his way. With him at one end, and De Gea on the other, I'm comfortable having the best premier league player keeper and striker to tilt things our way.

    How we'd try and look in possession
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    and without the ball, compact shape before initiating a press as they move into our half
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    Tactics Team MJJ

    The inspiration behind this side is Pep's City of last season — mainly the proactive approach, directness and an unorthodox use of fullbacks. We thought that this concept will allow us to highlight some of the lesser-known players as well as using others in the unusual roles that we think they'll excel at.

    Tactics.
    The basic formation City employ does not provide anything spectacular. It is instead a rather customary shape which you can find across all professional leagues in Europe. The details, however, carry Guardiola’s thumbprint. The key battle would be in midfield, where we would have an advantage in numbers (thanks to false fullbacks), workrate and even head-to-head records

    We'll expand on the tactics and personal roles in the write up and later in the thread, so here's a few basics
    • High defensive line — our defence is well-suited to it (especially Bonucci, who was the master of it)
    • Guardiola has instilled into his players a playing style that values “possession with a meaning”, or how each pass has an underlying intention of opening up spaces or moving around opponents. This is not Tiki-Taka, or possession for the sake of having the ball, but rather moving the ball to move the opponent
    • Intense pressing. This is potentially Skizzo's weakest point — monalos and his keeper are far from great on the ball, and our pressing will definitely cause some issues. It also gives us an advantage — both teams are built to take control of the game and I believe that ours is more likely to do so
    • Our fullbacks are comfortable in a narrow defensive formation.
    False fullbacks.
    It is something that Pep experimented with at Bayern as well, but the use of false fullbacks at City was a little bit more nuanced. From the very beginning I wanted walker(with his experience as a RB/RWB/RM/CB — and that's not even counting the left wing) and Clichy for those roles.who is really the perfect man with his unique skillset (played all over the wing before settling as a left-sided fullback) and a Guardiola-esque view of football.

    Like with Delph and Walker, Clichy and Walker won't be playing mirrored roles — and while both are well-capable of playing as false as well as traditional fullbacks, Clichy will more often join the midfield while Walker will mostly provide overlaps for the attacking runs of Benzema. Both of them possessed incredible intelligence and understanding of the game, which will help them decide on what to do at any given moment.


    Key roles.
    • Bonucci is the ultimate playmaking defender who excelled in high line and played with much needed directness (not that tiki-taka crap) — he was really a must for our team .
    • Fabregas and Modric. They are the fulcrum of our team. Everything in Pep's system is set up to provide his 8's with the most freedom — it's not surprising that De Bruyne and Silva were the best players of that star-studded side. Fullbacks are joining the midfield to free them from defensive responsibility, as well as providing quality transition from the defense. The wingers and the center forward are stretching the pitch horizontally and vertically to create pockets of space for Fabregas and Modric
    @harms thanks for the tactics.
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    Took me a while. Interestingly, I think that @Skizzo has a better personnel to execute Pep’s City tactics, even though he never mentioned him (but I’m sure that he kept him in mind though).

    Clichy is a bit of an odd one. What is his unique skill set? Had he ever been tried in midfield?
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    Pep's first choice for the LB role was mendy and clichy is stylistically very similar to the frenchman while not being so rash in defense.
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    :lol: I chuckled when I saw his team since we seem to be taking a similar approach. I try to avoid naming specific set ups as it’s easy to be burned by then when you veer slightly (as I have before) but Pep was somewhat of a template.

    And good luck @MJJ
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    @MJJ some details on Lo Celso?
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    Adrien Rabiot had to come off at half-time and Lo Celso made his entrance, playing in the centre of the park. He has started every game since, often as the deepest of the three midfielders, playing as Paris Saint-Germain’s anchor.

    Going into 2018, the Parisians had found a solution to a problem in the most unlikely of places and Unai Emery was full of praise for the young South American.

    “He arrived at the club a year ago and has worked very hard and patiently to create opportunities for himself,” Emery said. “He played one minute, then two, then 15… He has earned more and more playing time. He has improved, progressed by working hard. He’s a good example. He has trained at playing the No.6 position in training and he has done well in this position in matches.”

    Who is Giovani Lo Celso?
    Signed from Argentina in the summer of 2016 for £9million, he stayed in his homeland until last January, picking up ten assists in 45 games for Rosario before arriving in Paris.

    Across the Atlantic, he was known for his creativity and guile. But he has reinvented himself as a ball-winning midfielder who recovers possession for fun.

    It’s an incredible transformation, and even more so in a team who average 63.9 per cent possession each game. The Argentine midfielder doesn’t just lead his team; he leads the league for tackles won per 90 among players making ten or more appearances.

    With 21 appearances and 969 minutes of league action under his belt, Lo Celso is successful with 4.6 of the 7.3 tackles he attempts per 90 minutes.

    His nearest rival is team-mate Dani Alves with 3.6 per 90. Former Barcelona transfer target Marco Verratti and Rabiot fall behind on 2.9 and 2.4 respectively. It’s a skill which no-one, perhaps even Lo Celso himself, knew he had.

    Ten teams make more tackles per game than PSG, but the next contender, Caen’s Adama Mbengue, trails the 21-year-old by 0.5 challenges per 90.

    What are Lo Celso’s strengths?


    The reasons you’d pick out the youngster have changed this season, but it’s also helped him perform at the level he has. Tenacious and tough in the tackle, he times his movements very well, only going to ground when he needs to.

    Lo Celso uses his body extremely well, frequently recovering possession by getting between the man and the ball and using his upper-body strength to great effect.

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    In the recent 3-0 win over Lille in northern France, there was a perfect example of his defensive strengths.

    He outmuscled defender Edgar Ié off the ball deep in his own half, but then spun on the ball, around the right-back, and used his pace and quality to race out of trouble into the centre of the park.

    Due to his excellent close control and comfort in possession he has the much-lauded ability to push the ball out from the back, transitioning the game and putting PSG on the attack.


    He’s not completely forgotten his flair in the final third either, which helped the Parisians seal victory over Lille.

    Picking up the ball just outside the home side’s penalty area, the Argentine pulled the sand wedge from his bag and chipped Lille keeper Mike Maignan with a lovely effort from the edge of the box.

    His skill to play at both ends, providing defensive support and danger in the final third, is something we haven’t seen enough from Verratti over the years and could be the element of Lo Celso’s game which helps him keep his place in PSG’s star-studded team.
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    Thanks
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    If we look at the tactics, and MJJ’s write up for his team, I feel we’re taking a similar approach, except we have better personnel to execute it.

    The midfield advantage would swing our way in numbers and advantage on the ball with both Alaba and Roberto having played as actual midfielders at a high level, not to mention their ability on the ball in both of their respective teams.

    Both our central defenders are known for their pace and ability to cover their defensive partners, so having the full backs step to midfield won’t leave them exposed against Benzema.

    All our front six, and both full backs are used to playing a pressing system, across the board I feel we’re both better equipped to do it, as well as combat it.

    Already addressed the full backs and or advantage above. More below.

    For the roles addressed above, both Alaba and Sergi Roberto are better equipped to influence the match. Both are better on the ball than their opposite number, and both have been drilled in the requirements of nuanced systems by their club sides from an early age. Pep having been involved with both at some point.
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    @Skizzo I have the fastest two fullbacks on the pitch though which will help them support the attack and overlap more often compared to your duo.

    I also think my midfield of fabregas + modric completely shits all over gotze and oscar and my wingers are better than yours. The only area where you have players more suited for pep style is fullbacks(in terms of coming into midfield but not attacking-there is a reason pep went for walker/mendy over the likes of alaba) and pep's problems with aguero are well documented.
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    Peak Fabregas + Modric will probably outplay most AM combos in this pool. Gotze was unbelievable at his peak, but he's got nothing on those two. On the other hand, Busquets is a huge step up on Lo Celso but I don't think that's enough to stop Fabric from dominating this game.
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    Exactly, the key to this match is dominating midfield and I have the two best midfielders by far on the pitch. Neither gotze or oscar have excelled in a deep CM role.
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    That Modric - Cesc combo will be decisive here. Luka is peerless in this pool and can control this match for days. Would prefer more goal threat in front of him though.
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    From first sight Skizzo IMO has more firepower up front with Aguero.

    Lo Celso is really underwhelming in such important role, whilst Busquets on the other side is one of the best protections for the back four.

    MJJ on the other hand has a tasty CM pair in Fabregas and Modric.

    This is tough.
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    If you look at Lo Celso's stats he can do the job that I need to do here i.e. be press resistant, win the ball through his tackling, and dribble with it forward. Aguero has never really shown under pep whereas young benzema is the perfect striker for him, with both of them not having a lot of difference for their best goal scoring seasons.
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    There isnt much in goal difference between benzema and aguero btw, both players have scored around 30 goals in their best seasons. Later on benzema obviously sacrificed his game more and more for ronaldo.
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    Benzema broke 30 goals in a season once for Madrid, and that same season he was still outscored in the league by Higuain.

    Aguero has four 30+ goal seasons for Man City alone.

    As goal scorers, Aguero is better than Benzema. Not to mention De Gea is leagues above Areola.

    The only advantage you have if you’re gonna compare player for player is Modric and Fabregas. And they don’t have the support you claim because your full backs won’t be able to provide the support you claimed you would.

    You said you want Clichy and Walker to assist in midfield to free Mod-Fab from the defensive side, but you just don’t have the luxury to do that. Neither are tactically astute enough to do it at a high level.
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    We can also look at the wingers and full backs in greater depth.

    Sane and Carrasco both have a season each where they broke double figures. Perisic has five on his own, and Callejón has seven. That leaves a lot for Benzema to try and make up for on his own, whereas Aguero has the ability to turn a game on his own, as well as having a better supporting cast here.

    Playing on some issue with Pep is irrelevant on his ability to put the ball in the back of the net. He’s got the best scoring rate in PL history, and with the support he’d get here, I back us to outscore your team.

    Lest we forget De God is in goal for us while you have nipples in net.
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    Walker is who pep chose for the rb spot and he did have the option to sign alaba but opted for mendy who is closer to clichy. I wkll trust the great bald opimoon on whose fullbacks are better.

    As for wingers, I rate sane above perisic and carrasco above callejon.

    Aguero also has never fitted well in pep style and formation.
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    Agüero scored 21 goals in 25 league games last season. If that’s how he did without fitting in, imagine how he’d do here when I don’t have Pep.

    As for the full backs, Pep referred to Alaba as Bayern’s God, whereas he banned Mendy from training with the first team. So yeah...
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    Funny he didnt try and sign him last year then? Mendy was banned due to his twitter stuff not for the type of player he is.
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    Which is irrelevant to the discussion. Alaba is miles better than Clichy. Both as a player, and in the role required here.
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    A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
    I rate Bonucci exceptionally highly as a ball-playing CB, but I never really associated his peak Juventus teams with high lines. In their bigger matches they generally seemed to defend deeper, although they were tactically flexible.

    Opted for Skizzo here narrowly. That Fabregas/Modric midfield is exceptionally sexy in this pool, but Skizzo seems to have more cutting edge and I think his full back pairing is both better overall and more suited to that Pep tactic.
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    *ahem* you did forget to place the vote though.

    Check is in the mail.
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    I'm a bit torn here. MJJ has the greater midfield with Skizzo the greater attack.

    Think I'm falling on the side of Skizzo for the defence with DDG behind them as well.
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    A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
    :lol: I got distracted by the MMA thread...went to post something about Cormier vs Derrick Lewis getting booked for UFC 230 but my head nearly exploded at some of the drivel that's been posted since Saturday.

    On another note, and in a homage to Ecstatic who rarely seems to post here any more, the case of Alaba is a strange one. Seems to have had a poor last few seasons, but his early career standard was so good that I really don't consider him out of place in a typical all-time draft with some restrictions.
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    Lo Celso is like Albertini in a sense he is going to be irrelevant as far as draft is concerned
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    Good luck in the future rounds @Skizzo
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    Cheers mate