Mourinho comments about our season to L'Equipe

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    mitchmouse Full Member

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    he doesn't actual say very much - and certainly nothing incendiary. he continues to show quite a lot of class, but then I've always thought that. last night saw one of those old Sky programmes - Premiership Years. It was the one where we just pipped Chelsea to title (came from two down at everton to win 4-2 with eagles scoring the final goal). Jose went to the Chelsea fans and (with signs) told them to keep their chins up. Remembering seeing it lvie and feeing great respect for him
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    LazyRed-Ninja LazyGrammar-Ninja

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    Living in the past can be emotionalism, but it is neccesary to contextualize these kind of things. The league table is all that matters, if that is the case, how has Mourinho failed in comparison to Moyes and LVG? Mourinho did ‘relatively’ better then all the managers post Sir Alex. This season the team conceded almost double the amount of goals then the previous season. These are objective points one can judge. It ‘strengthens’ the whole debacle of United failing to add a defender which contributed to the pre season debacle and how this season evolved (not saying it was the maine cause though). Also, you make a valid point, the standard has been set higher by the rival clubs and what increased that gap ? The failure from within, to actually establish a clear vision with competent recruitment, rather then spending the cheque book around, just to convince players to play for United. The structural issues and incompetence from within the club contributed to other clubs achieving their objectives with a clear vision on whom they wanted to recruit and the system to utilise. We are not disagreeing here, we judge the previous season, to observe wether Mourinho was right in publically calling players out and as you have seen, players (how many?) didnt show the right attitude and mentality as soon as Ole penned down his contract. Coincidence ? Very unlikely.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Fair comments. He still needed the sack though. The man wanted Willian and Boateng.
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    RedRonaldo Full Member

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    Mourinho has to take at least half the blame there, afterall he build this team with 400m budget in 4 transfer window..... If it is poor team, then large part of it is his fault too.,..
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    Kapardin Full Member

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    You are missing the point again. One could then easily say, "Ole relegated Cardiff and lost so many games now, so his ppg doesn't matter".

    That's not the way arguments work, or you wouldn't have people discussing Ole's and Jose's ppg here.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    :lol: Class and Jose.
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    abdo99 Full Member

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    beedoubleyou Full Member

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    Nobody likes agreeing with Oliver Holt. But anyone disagreeing with him on this occasion is just wrong.
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    Big Ben Foster Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Ages of players the summer Mourinho wanted to sign them:

    Willian: 29
    Perisic: 28
    Toby: 29

    Let's set aside the question of whether or not they were good enough or how they would fit into our system and let's just focus on age for now. Why do people talk about these players as if they were on the verge of retirement? This isn't FM - a player who looks after himself, doesn't rely heavily on pace, and avoids muscle injuries can easily play at the highest level until 33-34.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I’ve always maintained that too. But the steep decline post-30 we’ve seen from Rooney, Van Persie, Falcao, Sanchez and now Matic does make you wonder.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    Good point about Toby as I always thought we'd need a good older Cb than a young potential but that bold part rules out those 2 wingers and they're not worth 60+ mil each (according to reports).
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Also Schweinsteiger.
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    TsuWave Full Member

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    You think Mourinho is a sensible person?
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    ThierryHenry14 New Member

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    May be it has to do with the ambition of the club. The club and the fans want immediate success, so he has to buy experience players who can contribute and challenge for title right away. think about he already won the EL, league cup, and got 2nd place, so the next step is to do all he can to challenge for title. He has no time to develop young players like Maddison, Tielemans or Ndidi. He need players that can help him close the gap with Man city right away. He said he need winger to provide the cross for Lukaku, and a experienced CB. From the way I see it is once Ibra left the club Mou lost control of the dressing room.
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    MackRobinson Full Member

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    Don't fall for his deflections. After the summer of 17/18 he called it "his team" and said United were equipped for a title challenge.
    Then when the bad results came, it wasn't his team.
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-far-play-image-liverpool-transfers-trophies

    You can't make this stuff up.
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    Rightnr Full Member

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    What he says is correct but he still crap in his job and deserved the sack.
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    ThierryHenry14 New Member

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    What i don't understand about Man Utd is, if you don't back your manager in the summer, you can sack him, or give him "better players" that can do better job than Willian, Perisic or Toby. What's the point to undermine him by leaking to the press about the "bad choice" he wants to sign?
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    The club is a disaster zone. Mourinho was also a disaster. The two positions aren't mutually exclusive.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Oh yeah. Him too.
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    Mcking Full Member

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    I love how he is using another failing manager as justification for his own shortcomings. Maybe I should go and apply for the United job too to prove that the structure and the players are the problem.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    Players around 30 are a genuine risk, SAF was right to not trust them and manage them with short contracts. You never know when they are going to breakdown physically, particularly when you haven't had the opportunity to monitor and manage their fitness in their 20s. Even someone like Rio, one summer and he was the shadow of his former self.
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    Offside Euro 2016 sweepstake winner

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    He should be ashamed of himself mouthing off after he was such a useless tool.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    You make good points.
    Ha ha, love that you heralded your arrival in the thread by describing yourself as a 'casual observer' and accusing another poster of being biased when it comes to Mourinho! I have to say, you're not coming across as that casual :p
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    Sir Scott McToMinay Full Member

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    Just a little reminder, Jose Mourinho played players out of position just to prove a point to the board, which resulted in us losing said matches.

    Anyone who wants him back or thinks it was a mistake to sack him should be embarrassed for themselves.
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    Scarecrow Having a week off

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    He doesn't say anything. What am I missing? What have you discussed for 9 pages? :lol:
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    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    In fairness to Falcao, he got good again once he left the UK, helping Monaco to the CL semi-finals and getting nominated for the Ballon D'Or in 2017. Not sure the problems he had here (and at Chelsea) were really down to age.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    His problem was down to fitness, he did his knee in January 2014 and rushed himself in order to play the WC.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    The usual. "Mourinho smells funny!", "No, he is the prettiest!".

    We all have a hard time moving on.
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    A journalist using the term fanboy, cringy as hell.

    Terrible journalism.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Agreed. I also don't really know what he means about 'valuing image over substance'? If anything the image of the club suffered under him, but the substance of what he'd achieved was actually not as bad as it looked. Particularly as Ole is running into exactly the same problems with certain players.
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    True. Wonder why he is so partisan. Maybe he likes getting his leaks out of the club and doesn't want to jeopardise that!
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    Sterling Archer Full Member

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    Yup. He's been as mindful as can be expected given the new role he's in undoubtedly brings these tough questions on.

    If you think of it like a relationship breakup, he sounds very level headed. He for sure has his opinions of the reasons for the relationship failing, which he is entitled to. He doesn't need to change his views for anyone else. It was personal to him in a way we won't ever know, especially with some of the nondisclosure.

    But it is amazing to see so many on the other side of that relationship - I'm lumping United fans along with the club here - that can't let it rest. The hatred and animosity as if Jose was the reason we've been unsuccessful for 7 years. Jose wasn't the right fit for us, but he's not at fault here for us being a complete mental ward of a club to manage. WE are the crazy one in this broken relationship.
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    MackRobinson Full Member

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    I was talking more about him contradicting himself repeatedly, but I don't consider myself biased at all. By all objective measurements and by his own comments Jose Mourinho failed miserably in transfer market and on the pitch. It's pretty clear. The only way to absolve him of blame is to speculate that the players downed tools and/or the board sabotaged him. I for one won't ignore the evidence right in front of my face to believe tabloid speculation. That's not bias in the slightest.
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    Celoti23-81 New Member

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    Ok, so you could argue Oxlade Chamberlain had a bad attitude until he played for Klopp!
    Same as every player at Real when Solari was manager.
    Would Pogba have a bad attitude if he went to Real and play under Zidane? Does he have a bad attitude for France? Don't think so.
    Mourinho was toxic, at nearly every club he managed towards the end. Players did not like it. They grew an attitude towards the end.
    Is Solskjaer out of his depth, and the players have no faith in his ability as a world class coach.
    I bet you your last dollar, if Klopp became manager at Utd tomorrow, every single player would improve.
    And by me saying, it doesn't have to be a rebuild, if solskjaer is as good as his first 14 games, then all he needs is a right back, centre back, midfielder and right winger.

    Have you seen Lukaku's goal scoring record last 5 years? It's been really good. Is Pogba a world cup winner who played well out of position in that tournament. Did martial score 17 in his first season under a proper coach? Yes.

    We've gone from Mourinho who historically has to sign big to succeed to Ole, who no one knows if he is even an average manager/coach
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    His own comments? Didn't he say that finishing 2nd the season before last was his best achievement?

    I mean, he was sacked in year 3, so there's obviously failure there, but the year before we finished second and reached the cup final, and in his first season he managed to win the League Cup and Europa League. Most clubs would kill for a bit of that failure.
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    MackRobinson Full Member

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    Read the articles I posted earlier. At the beginning of the 2017/18 season he says it's his team and they can challenge for the title. In a year and a half, after bringing in Sanchez, Fred, and Dalot, it's not his team. Now finishing 2nd that year (miles behind City) is his best achievement? Can't understand how this is defensible. I'm trying but I can't.
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    Celoti23-81 New Member

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    And proves that Woodward was right not go for those players. Doesn't matter which way you look at the Glazers and Woodward, they have spent. Their biggest downfall has been managerial appointments. Post SAF era, Van Gaal has been the best manager we have had. He had his own philosophy and gave youth a chance, and got that youth to play really well. Now we are back to doing what LVG did, but with Solskjaer, with no proven record!

    The biggest managerial mistake the board did was appoint Mourinho, who had a completely different philosophy to LVG. Thus players weren't suited to how Mourinho wanted to play.
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    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    If Jose was really being honest, he'd admit that he failed because he wasn't given unlimited funds because he's the absolute textbook example of a cheque book manager.
    Doesn't improve players, doesn't look long term, just buys peak age players for top fees, and is found out now not even the Barcelona/Real Madrid types can't do as much of that as they used to.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Yeeeeah, still not coming across as particularly 'objective' I have to say!

    But how many of us are when it comes to United? We all have our personal beliefs/narratives/agendas.
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    beedoubleyou Full Member

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    I don't think Twitter is journalism. I also don't think using commonly understood words to illustrate a point is 'cringy as hell'.

    Holt, for once, makes a good point.