Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Raoul, Jul 15, 2017.
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No pressure at all......
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Still feel it is one season too early for us.
We shouldn't underestimate the amount of damage done to us past Fergie with the two mopes we've had in charge. Also there is still a lot left to desire in our squad (wingers, lb, dm, competition for b2b etc.)
I wouldn't call it a failure next season if we only win a cup or two and compete for the title and achieve top 3. No way should winning the title be seen as a make or break thing for Mourinho.
Its too early until suddenly it happens. All depends how we galvanize as a team.
Can't see it happening personally. I'm happy with a genuine title challenge, and hopefully not a traditionally poor 3rd season under Jose.
Maybe Zlatan will come back in January and solidify our chances with his record of winning the title in every league he's played in?!
As things stand, I see Top 3 and Last 16 UCL with good domestic cup runs as acceptable progress.
Don't think we will win it, attacking areas still too weak
I think we will make Quarters at the very least.
Hard to say as it's very dependant on who we'd draw. We may end up getting Madrid or Bayern in the next round.
Even if we win our group?
Think we lack match winners, Chelsea have Hazard, Spurs have Deli....pogba and someone has to step up for us if we are to have even a slight chance
If they don't win their group...
Not gonna happen unless we make some unexpected signings.
Just curious, when was the last time Madrid or Bayern or Barca didnt top their group?
Well you never know, they could get drawn in a nasty group and finish 2nd. Didn't it happen to Arsenal last season?
Let's hope we don't fail horrendously in the groups like we did under LVG eh.
A good start to the season is mandatory. If we are at the top of the table after 10 games then yes anything can happen. But as of now it looks difficult for us to win the league. I won't mind a strong title challenge where we don't have to fight for the top 4. I can actually see us do well in champions league. The europa league campaign surely would have boosted the team and the knock out competitions could actually favour jose.
Both Madrid (behind Dortmund) and Bayern (behind Atletico) finished 2nd in their groups last season actually!
Bayern came second last season.
Getting burned hard there...
We're far too far off for that. Top four and a trophy would be great for where we are at present.
Why is everyone so pessimistic about our chances of winning the title? The bookmakers have put us as the 2nd favourites, behind City for the title. It's Mourinho's second season and he ALWAYS win the title in his second season at any clubs, even in his return to Chelsea. We've strengthened our backline and added firepower, and I think we still have 1 or 2 more signings before the transfer window ends. Jose would also be so fired up, you would think that finishing behind his fiercest rivals Wenger and Guardiola, not to mention 27 points behind the team who sacked him would have him plotting a title challenge after our Europa win. I seriously do think we can challenge for the title this season but whether we would win it is anyone's guess.
If we manage to sign Alexis Sanchez, then United will genuinely challenge for the first time since Sir Alex.
We need a World Class attacking player of that Ilk. Griezmann was a huge loss.
Just think if we get Sanchez this year and Griezmann the next
Because we finished 6th, 5th, 4th and 7th in the last four seasons and so far haven't significantly strengthened the team.
I think all things considered that is what should be expected. At least a title challenge to the end.
I don't think it's particularly likely at this stage though. Not everything poor last season was down to inadequate players (no matter how much that nonsense is pushed), we haven't recruited massively so far and Mourinho has to be better this season.
A squad doesn't need to be perfect to win the league.
Depends on who we can sign before the window closes i think. A CDM is paramount in my opinion. Could be the difference between challenging and not. Whether it be Matic or Fabinho or maybe someone who hasn't been linked, it's of utmost importance.
Miki needs to improve on his consistency and a vast improvement form Martial would be nice. There's a contradiction between the heart and the mind. My heart says yes, it's Jose's second season and history would suggest a title, but my mind says we're going to come up short. Let's hope the heart wins out.
It sounds too much, but I think United need to do something like that. Barcelona for instance have Messi, Neymar and Suarez. United are huge, they should have the capability to have similar standard of players. Like Ronaldo, Tevez & Rooney in our last CL winning teàm.
I'm not sure most would see it that way. We've lost Zlatan and gained Lukaku. Defence wasn't our problem last season - finishing chances was. Hopefully our other attackers will chip in with more goals but right now, from our squad, the highest United scorer is Mata with 36 goals and he's not expected to be a starter.
We have a decent chance. I don't think we are complete, but neither is our rivals. We won 3 titles last season and hopefully we can build on it.
Let's look at the 5 title contenders and the chances.
1) Chelsea - The Champions from last season should probably remain the big favorites. This season though they will also play in Europe which could reduce the advantage they had last season. Conte will probably improve the defensive unit and they have a great winning mentality. So far though they lack a top striker since it look like Costa is going to leave them. I think they should be considered favorites, but I expect them to struggle more this season. I also think they could need improvements in midfield and on the wings for a long season.
Biggest Strength ) Winning mentality
Biggest Weakness ) Striker position
2) Tottenham- They have been playing some excellent football last season and they have a very strong defensive unit. Seem to lack a bit of winning mentality though to get the titles. Having to play at Wembley will be a big disadvantage for them. Do think they will have a worse season although should be in with a good chance for the title. Spurs play very well as a unit. It is a strength, but when things get tight they may struggle as other teams nullify them.
Biggest Strength ) Very good at attacking and defending as a team
Biggest Weakness ) lack of winning mentality
3 ) Man City- Have improved a very strong side. Guardiolas tactics though usually can be a bit narrow and can often fall short against certain types of tactics. The firepower they have going forward is very scary though. Aguero, Jesus, Silva (2x), De Bruyne, Sterling and Sane give them the best attacking options in the league. The defense look like it will be improved as well with Walker in particular. Should be in with a chance for the title, but can also see them fall short in the end.
Biggest Strength ) Creativity from attacking midfield
Biggest Weakness ) narrow team philosophy that can get exposed
4 Liverpool- Having to play in europe will probably be hard for them and I don't think they should be in for the title. Still with some good signings they can keep making progress. They have very good attacking qualities and the level in the big games is usually very high from them.
Biggest Strength ) High intensity pressing
Biggest Weakness ) Weak defending in their own half
5 Arsenal- Arsenal seem to be building and trying to improve the team. Despite not getting top 4 last season I think they are making progress. Can be a concern that player want to leave them. Seem to be wining more things now and maybe the failure to reach Champions league can help them make a push for the title.
Biggest Strength ) Good at breaking teams down and beating the weaker sides
Biggest Weakness ) Can rely a bit too much on individuals and often fall short in the big games
Think we should be in with a good chance among these 5. I think what we should improve this season is the collective defending. Think we are going to be very hard to score against. Our weakness is our attack. Hopefully Lukaku will have a great season and lift it.
Time flies! Can't believe it's been 4 years since we last won the title. think the longest we went without winning the title under SAF was 3 years max? I really do think we can go and win it this year, that's why we brought Jose in despite the negativity of his antics because he guarantees titles. If he doesn't deliver the title for us this season, or at the very least challenge for the title, I'd consider his 2017/2018 season with us to be a failure. This is not taking into account of how we do in the other competitions.
Cannot see us competing as things stand. Our attack is still weak (I rate Ibra higher than Lukaku) and we have only 2 good midfielders in our team. I think that we need a new midfielder, a winger and hope that Martial has his breakthrough season in order to be able to win the title.
I think that City are probably the best team, followed by Chelsea. If City sign Sanchez, then they will easily win the title. An attack consisting of Sanchez, Aguero, De Bruyne and one of Silvas would be unstoppable.
Our season starts tonight imo. Good preparation. Sign a couple of players the manager wants. Of course a little luck will be needed but I feel we will have an excellent season.
Don't see it personally
Win the league with this squad? No way. Even if Lukaku is a big success he's not gonna replace all of Ibra's goals and add 20 more.
Squad just isn't strong enough to challenge. But I am saying this before we sign Bale and Busquets this summer.
Leicester won the league after finishing 14th the previous season. Also, Chelsea won it last year after finishing 10th the previous year. Literally anything can happen and analyzing individual transfers isn't necessarily what galvanizes the team to punch above their weight. Its a mentality and coaching thing.
It's possible as we have the base of being very hard to beat. But we still stink of a cup team to me and need a huge match-winner to be ready for the league. We'll have to wait and see anyway.
Chelsea finished 1st the year before that. Leicester is the very definition of exception to the rule and shouldn't be used as an example for anything.
That's not the best argument, considering they fired a certain José Mourinho to achieve that.
The Leicester argument is a bit pointless. Sure, West Ham or Huddersfield might win it; after all, Leicester did it! That doesn't mean we shouldn't even try to evaluate certain teams' chances based on their perceived quality. Anything CAN happen but some things are far more likely to happen than other things. Everton might win the league but Manchester City are far more likely to do so.
I think we either need spectacular signings or a massive improvement from existing squad members to be credible, serious title contenders. Since spectacular signings seem to be out of the question it probably has to be the latter.
If we build the team around him, maybe but definetly not in a midfield 2 !!
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