Mourinho v Spurs and Chelsea

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  1. Oct 22, 2017
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    SAred Full Member

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    What will his game plan be against another top 6 team. So how does the nervous one play this. 5 points behind City with Spurs and Chelsea coming up we could be out of the title race after 11 games. Surely he has to go for it, 2 draws will not be enough.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    We never played for draw at home against any team, so against Spurs we won't be playing for draw for sure.
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    Varun Moderator Staff

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    Lot depends on our CB situation tbh. If we're forced to play Lindelöf there due to injuries, I can see him going for a defensive approach with bodies at the back. Can't even argue against that because the thought of Lindelöf vs Morata/Kane is downright funny and in a bad way.

    If we have Jones/Bailly fit, we should be more positive but then I'd still expect a safety first approach away at Chelsea. That's how Mourinho operates so there's no point salivating over a match for a week only to see the same approach come match day.
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    All out attack. We must win at least 1 of the 2 games to stay in title contention. I feel we have a better chance vs Chelsea for some reason. Spurs are very good away from Wembley but either way City will extend their lead whatever happens. Massive couple of weeks in our season. I'm praying we have some of the injured players back soon.
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    Spurs is also away?
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    Varun Moderator Staff

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    Ah my bad, meant Chelsea there. Editing it.
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    Glad to be back here. Been very busy with work and family. One thing that struck me was the amount of negativity from fans because of the loss. All is not lost and maybe we can use the next game to redeem ourselves. We are down to bones in midfield and defence it's not a joke anymore but I believe we can still beat Spurs.

    We need to start looking at areas they can be got at or areas they aren't to strong even though these are pretty few and far between as they are a very very strong side. For one, watching Spurs this season I really do think they struggle with teams that defend in numbers and in an organized manner so we want to make sure we play deep. There's no problem in doing this if we transition very quickly and purposefully. No beating around the bush or dribbling for the sake of it when a good pass is on.

    Their narrow back three can be vulnerable to wide attacks or quick switch of play and so we have to explore this area as much as we can. If we play very deep and our build up is slow, we would get absolutely nothing from this game.

    I forsee a situation where as the game wears on and there are no goals yet, they begin to push even harder, leaving gaps in wide areas where Martial and Rashford can benefit. I particularly look forward to seeing Rashers leave Trippier for dead.

    This is one match where we need patience --lots of it actually. We need to stifle their attack, we need to frustrate them. That's the way to go. If we try to "play football", we play into their hands and when you consider that a number of our key players are out, then you'd agree it wouldn't be so bad if we keep things tight.

    I'd go:

    De Gea
    Smalling Lindelof Darmian
    Valencia Herrera Matic Young
    Rashford Lukaku Martial
    Few points:
    • Attacking, our set up would have the shape of a 3-4-3 but in defending it'd resemble a 5-4-1.
    • Rashers and Martial will have to work their bollocks off to make up the numbers in defence and also to join in attack so that Lukaku isn't left all on his own.
    • Lindelof has been poor so far tbh but hopefully a back five set up will do him a world of good and his passing ability can be helpful as well.
    Let's do it!
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    Irrational. Full Member

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    Surprisingly more optimistic about these two games than the Liverpool game. We're a totally different team at home, and Chelsea are a bit wobbly at the moment. Both winnable games in my opinion.
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    Spurs : We'll play our normal game but sure with somewhat conservative approach. Something like our home game against them last season. I'm strangely confident we'll win again, too.
    Chelsea : Park the bus and grind a draw.
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    Cower on the edge of our box for 90+ minutes, lump the ball upfield at every opportunity and hope for the best.
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    We'll approach both very defensively .

    Ideally we'd like to come out of both with 4 points. I'd count us lucky, given current form and performances, to come out with 2.
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    Sammyjunn Banned

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    Inviting pressure with someone like Lindelof seems one of the most daft things you can do, rather that we have 90% possesion so that he doesnt get tested.
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    If it is Herrera-Matic midfield two again, we're likely to lose/draw both games. Any updates on the status of the injured players (Carrick, Pogba, Fellaini), can we expect some to be back for those encounters?
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    Sammyjunn Banned

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    If Pogba, Bailly arent fit,bar de Gea and Matic Spurs have a better or at least as good player in every position, it will get tough.
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    Android1974 Incredibly anal about player positions in lineups City Lover

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    Without Pogba or Fellaini, Mourinho's confidence on the team is damaged, we can hardly present an optimist formation in those games.
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    Theonas Full Member Scout

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    We will look to score more pro actively against Spurs. Mourinho plays the percentage game and he knows that a draw here might leave us 7pts behind City with a trip to the Bridge coming up next. Against Liverpool, he calculated that giving up two points there would not be the end of the world as we had Huddersfield coming up. Against Chelsea, I expect a cagey game as both managers are not particularly very pro active. Both will be weary of going for it unless of a course an early goal is score which changes everything.
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    Bwuk Full Member

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    Can't see us getting anything against Spurs unless Bailly is back. I don't see any of our CBs being able to stop Harry Kane, and we don't have the midfield to play the ball forward. Matic is a good ball winner but he isn't a play maker, and Herrera seems to have morphed into a Spanish Jordan Henderson this year.

    We'll knock it long to Lukaku out of frustration and he'll constantly have one of their three CBs against him in the air.
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    Should be intriguing. I think recent results mean his intention has to be to win. In the end walking out of both games with 2 points wouldn’t be too bad. Just hope he actually tries to win rather than defend for the draw.
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    Our attacking players need to step up. Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Micky all need to play to a very high quality. I think we will be more open against Spurs and more conservative vs Chelsea, although our squad may be stronger by that time.
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    We'll see the best of Mourinho. It'll be a total shit show.
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    RedDevil-85 New Member

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    Think Mourinho will be very defensive,sadly.

    Im not optimistic at all about these 2 matches.
    We have played poorly vs Liverpool,Benfica and Huddersfield,only a freak goalkeeping error gifted us the win against Benfica.
    Deserved loss vs Huddersfield and a cowardly display vs Liverpool have left us 5 points behind City already with Tottenham and Chelsea to come..

    Hate saying it but i think our title chances are over after these 2 matches.
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    frank lee madeer.. Banned

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    I think both these games will be decided in midfield. No point crying that we ain't got pogba, it is what is,we still need to find a way to get our midfield to compete on the day rather than just choosing to surrender the middle by bypassing it completely.
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    wolvored Full Member

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    Park the bus against Spurs, might give Chelsea a game. We will win 1 I think and lose the other.
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    I'm predicting one point from the 2 games. After recent results i think Mourinhos focus will be to make sure we don't lose again, which will result in a defensive draw against Spurs. Then I have a feeling we'll come unstuck against Chelsea.
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    Needham Full Member

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    Simple maths tells him that its a top 6 now, not a top 4. Far fewer matches/points available in which to merely grind out draws, we'll get left behind. He must let the horses run free.
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    Mr H Full Member

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    The expected return date for each of our injured players (Physioroom), it looks like we're only going to have Bailly back for that game.

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    Same lineup with Blind for either one of lindelof or Darmian
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    I wish he had your way of thinking but it is not in his nature, I expect we will park the bus like the Liverpool game, hoping to snatch and grab a win and otherwise a point will suffice. He will be banking on the other teams dropping points during the season.
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    Needham Full Member

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    In over a quarter of the games of a season?
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Like feck it will. Mourinho will want to win all our home games this season. Just like he did in every other season at every other club he's ever managed.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    People have lost all their senses. Just because we played defensively away from home, they think we will play same way at home too. Even last season when team wasn't as strong we still played for win against every team at home.
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    Smalling will have Kane in his pocket again and all will be well :D
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    breakout67 Full Member

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    We went for it against city at OT last season and got played off the park. None of the 'attack' and 'positive' brigade were praising the manager back then; they were still giving 'criticism'.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Exactly. We played well against Spurs, Arsenal at home. Chelsea had 0 shots on target at Old trafford.
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    breakout67 Full Member

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    Yep, I have confidence in our team at home. I would back them against any team because the manager has shown a very good record at home.

    Our only loss at home under Mourinho was against Man City last season. We dominated so many teams at home and missed sitters almost every game leading to so many draws. It looks like our goalscoring problem at home has been fixed.
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    He’ll no doubt shit his pants and sit back with a line of 6.

    Why not try Blind in midfield? He can sit with Matic and then play Herrera just ahead. He’s not the quickest or strongest in there but he’s a good passer and will make us more solid unlike the past few games where we’ve got overrun...

    De Gea

    Valencia Bailly Smalling Young

    Matic Blind

    Herrera

    Rashford Martial
    Lukaku
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    BusbyMalone Full Member

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    Must win all out home games regardless of the opposition. A draw here would be a bad result, especially when you consider City don't look like losing at the moment.

    City have West Bromm, which you assume that they will win, therefore if we draw we will then be 7 points behind. While is my sound a little hyperbolic to say that insurmountable, it's not far off.
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    If one of Fellaini or Pogba return, it'll be a huge boost for us. I would feel far more confident against Spurs/Chelsea with Fellaini in there. Any ETA about Fellaini's comeback?

    Edit : Just saw the post above. Things not looking good.
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    BusbyMalone Full Member

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    If you're talking about the game where they won 2-1, we didn't go at them at all. The trouble in that game was (first half particularly) is that we didn't do much of anything. They were just superb and completely swamped us. Had nothing to do with us going at them; we were just shit. Individual performances let us down big time (Lingard and Miki in particular), and we just couldn't find our feet and compose ourselves.

    Second half was a different story. We found our composure and played quite well - perhaps even deserved a draw in the end.
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    The key moment for all of Jose' strategy in these games is the first goal, it dictates whether he reverts to type later in the game. I don't believe its ever his intention to play for a draw from the start but the longer both teams go into the half with scores level, that makes his mind up. Had Utd taken their chance at Anfield, we would be talking about a totally different game and whilst he never goes all out attack, you cannot fault that approach...the only problem being that Utd are/and never have been prolific with chance conversion!

    Just because the 'pressure is on' I don't think he will deviate from this strategy so I would be drilling the team to make sure they take their first chance!