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Munich - 60 years remembrance thread

Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by jojojo, Feb 5, 2018.

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    Jim Beam Full Member

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    Tbh, I heard about this not so long ago also. Think he personally never wanted to take any credit for it, it took him more than 45 years from the disaster to speak about it for the first time and most stories came from those who were there and saw him. Great man.
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    Red Star One Full Member

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    RIP Flowers of Manchester
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    Very humble man from the sound of it. Just weird that such a hero and maybe a lot of people have never heard of him and what he did (outside Utd circles).

    People who don't want to take any credit for something are the ones to be applauded. Made my day (in a sad way) just reading about such a man.
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    Jim Beam Full Member

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    Agree with you and definitely share the feelings as I went through that article again today.
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    Zoo Full Member

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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    Didn't see Fellaini amongst the players. Did anyone catch him there?
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    Eyepopper Lowering the tone since 2006

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    For me, Harry Gregg will always be a Utd legend.

    His actions at Munich speak for themselves, but as a player he was signed by Utd for a world record fee for a keeper.

    He never won a medal, only missing out on FA Cup & League Winners medals due to injury.

    George Best: "Bravery is one thing but what Harry did was about more than bravery. It was about goodness."
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    Eyepopper Lowering the tone since 2006

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    He's just had surgery on his knee hasnt he?
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    Fridge chutney Requested ban until 09/04/2018

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    The tributes coming in from the UK and around the world, including from our rivals, are truly humbling and appreciated.

    RIP. #flowersofmanchester
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    Baby Groot Banned

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    I know under modern rules, he would probably have gotten special medals for those two, so I have wondered why club hasn't asked FA to apply modern rules to Gregg and give him the medals. If there is any player in history of English football that deserve a medal its Gregg.
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    Harry has always hated the limelight and wanted to avoid such things probably. I had the pleasure of working with his daughter and for years she kept her relationship to him quiet because she did not want other people to pester her for autographs etc from him, as she knew he would hate that.

    Would have loved to have gone yesterday but work commitments wouldnt allow, and I wouldn't want to remind Harry about his daughter as she sadly died at 50 from cancer. Too much pain to take in on one day.

    It was great to see him there. I understand he has had issues with the club in the past and he is a very strong character, but what an amazing hero for the club, for his teammates and for his fellow passengers on the day.
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    OK fair enough.

    The point made about Scanlon( were you confusing him with Quixall?) was that they had to carry the team while the grieving took place.
    There was a whole heap of pressure and stress on them but in those time it went completely unnoticed as you were expected to roll your sleeves up and get oin with it;no grief counselling, no diagnosis of ptsd.

    There should be more mention of the survivors and the staff who carried Utd. If it wasn't for them they could have easily been like Manchester City, sliding down the league to relative obscurity.

    Quixall was a signing from Wednesday, you're right but he did help us get to a runners up position in Division 1 which was remarkable considering the decimation of the team. He is an unsung hero too, maybe not as important as the Babes who survived but still worth remembering.
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    Have the Germans cleared Captain James Thain blame of this incident? It enrages me that how injustice was given to him until now. I'm 27 years old and i read about Munich's disaster a lot of times, but nothing triggered me as much until now that Captain James Thain is blamed for that disaster.
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    No, you were. In the post I first replied to, it says Quixall.

    I agree with your other points though. People forget United only had a handful of staff back then, and lost three of the most senior in Crickmer, Curry and Whalley. Les Olive was only 30 and very inexperienced when he stepped in as secretary, the strain on him and Murphy on top of the grief of losing so many friends must have been immense.
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    Niall All Powerful Super Being Staff

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    Another guest sent me this message:
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    This is the actual site of the disaster. Some great photos, here's a sample. Follow the link above to see them all.

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    Pace Abuser Full Member

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    Thanks for sharing. That was a very insightful read.
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    Cristiano Lell BANNED LOLZ

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    Zoo Full Member

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    Their thread is 6 years old. It's not important.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Check the thread starting date of the RAWK one. Regardless, there should've been more replies to this one.
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    Fanatic 00237 Full Member

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    Certainly not, but makes me wonder why the Caf' seems less interested in discussing this very important part of what makes United. Just a little bit disappointed that there isn't more discussion on here (I've been camping on this thread since yesterday).
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    jojojo Moderator Staff

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    I think it's just that it's not really a discussion in the normal sense. There's not much any of us can think of saying beyond RIP, and offering the odd link to the documentaries and articles that have been produced.
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    MrPooni Full Member

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    If you genuinley believe how much time someone spends in a tribute thread on a bloody internet forum is a fair and accurate measure of how much they care about a tragic event, you need to get your head checked. This whole stream of consciousness is not only ridiculous, it's quite disrespectful to a lot of people.
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    No need for the aggressive tone, mate. I never implied (or didn't mean to, anyway) the amount of posting was a measure of how much people cared. I believe all United fans would absolutely care. My concern was about the fact that I was expecting (maybe hoping for) more from this thread than I have had. I don't live in the UK and this is my best/only source of information regarding the commemoration of this event from the view of the family of United fans.

    Please, let's not derail the thread further. I think @jojojo 's response above closed the issue.
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    RIP

    also, I saw Andy Cole walking around Moss Side yesterday, I'm guessing he was coming from OT. might have popped up had I not been working.
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    Thought the service was well done as was the one in Munich (and really liked the Red Star message).

    Dont know if anyone who attended the service can shed any light but I saw pics of Harry Gregg attending and noticed he wasn't sat upfront and wondered why. I fully understand why Bobby Charlton did (as his career/time/impact with United is huge) but given what Harry Gregg did, I wondered if the club asked him to sit up front, especially as he said he may not attend again.

    It might be he wouldn't want it (he does come across as a quiet, simple guy) but I've always felt the club should have done something more for him and hope that they've at least tried.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42953090
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    Wind it in mate. He didn't mean anything by it
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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2 Staff

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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    I'm sure that many feel as I do: they struggle to write in any depth about truly tragic subjects. For instance, I only ever write about the Holocaust because I feel it's important that younger people become informed; otherwise, I wouldn't be able to find words for such heart-breaking events, let alone their gravity.
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    Hope you don't mind me posting, this is my own work, but was given great access by United to Old Trafford & the museum to record this short film with my Granddad, who was at Old Trafford on the day of the disaster.

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    Yes, it is often the case that observers struggle to find adequate words for some things. It's only the words from those involved that really hit home. "Come on Mum, get me home. I can't miss Wolves on Saturday"
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    jojojo Moderator Staff

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    Good video.
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    Back in the fifties when my dad was in his late teens he got the train from Barrow-in-Furness every Saturday to watch United 1 week, City the next.
    He still says (aged 80 ) that big Duncan is the best player he has ever seen. That'll do for me.
    RIP
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Courtesy of @Tony Clifton:

    Some rare colour footage of the Busby Babes, less than a year before tragedy struck.