Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by ciderman9000000, May 12, 2010.
wouldn't swap him for Malouda
I think Evra misses him badly when Nani's on the right, their link-up play and overlapping really works to Evra's strengths and he's not anywhere near as comfortable working with the other wingers in our team. I don't know why it is, but Nani just seems to know exactly where Evra is all the time and exactly when and where he's going to make his runs; in comparison Giggs and Park just forget he's on the pitch.
The last page of this thread is hilarious. 40 posts in a row defending Nani from all the "haters" without a single critical post to prompt all the righteous indignation.
It's alright, lads. Everyone agrees he had a very good game and he's having a very good season. These "haters" you're getting so wound up about don't actually exist.
I'm Nani's biggest critic. I thought he was quite poor yesterday (goal was brilliant mind. Reminded me of Ronaldo)
His passing/crossing was woeful but I can see that his all round game has improved and he's a shoe in for the starting XI all the time.
If he worked harder on his final ball, we could have someone special on our hands.
Oh, and if he stops behaving like a fanny, like he did against the scousers.
Was the only player who looked threatening yesterday, hope he keeps it up.
So you're the one!
2 Seasons ago, it was almost everyone... I have to admit at some stage I was also a Nani basher because I didn't like the fact that the lad couldn't even do a short pass correctly and it costs us a lot of possession at times and I really had to admit it was damn fustrating...
You can see the fans calling for his head at some point...
Did we believe he had the potential ? Certainly we did, he's debut season was awesome...
So basically once he just improved on that short passing, he built up a good consistent string of good performances, the Arsenal and Bayern matches were extremely world class imo.
Currently him and Berbatov are probably the best attacking ppl on form. WIth Scholes as our best playmaker.
@Bolton match, I don't really blame him for taking those corners, I could only suggest that doing a short corner was the wiser choice as Park almost pullout the trick of the match
Well, did you read through the thread?:
More than enough cricitcal posts in this thread about him.
I'm not saying that the criticism towards him isnt justified. As I mentioned myself, his corners were really pretty shit yesterday.
It's just interesting to see that it's always the same posters referring to him as a "frustrating" player week in week out when he is in fact the only one able produce ANY form of threat as it was the case yesterday. What is so frustrating about that?
He had his frustrating moments in the past but right know it's just exciting everytime he gets the ball.
It's not bullshit at all.
Read through the Nani threads and you'll find the same posters moaning about him since his debut for us.
Well it's hard to become even sharper when you already create a goal in every match you play in.
Of course we could have won it if he had scored 2 and created 2 more...But same could be said about everyone in almost every match we lose.
Alan Green is Nani's biggest critic, in every intonation of the phrase. It's no coincidence either that he's also the world's biggest cnut.
I will admit I used to fecking hate him as a player, not because I thought he was shit but because he was a complete fanny.
In the last 12 months though he has started to show what a great fecking player he can be but he still needs to work on a few things.
If he gets his heads down and works on his weaknesses, he can become one of the top players in the world.
If you're referring to me than you're off the mark. I liked him even before that Arsenal game.
Asking him to clear the first man with his set pieces surely isn't "too much to ask, he's just a human being".
No I wasnt referring to you and I agree with you that his set pieces were all pretty shit.
But I still don't see the point in singling out this part of his game against Bolton when he was one of the reasons that we scored 2 goals and was one if not the best player for us on the pitch and it's almost always the same posters that can't give him any credit without giving snide remarks.
On current form he's fairly special already.
By the end of the season its quite possible that he could be our best player.
Not sure if that worrys me or makes me happy....
I like Nani (well the way he has performed since January, he's been great) but I don't understand why some posters (always the same ones) bitch and moan if you say anything at all other than he is absolutely brilliant.
Big deal, I said his crossing was woeful yesterday. I didn't say he played shit, nor did I say he was a shit play. People need to cop on.
By saying a lad can do better, does not mean that you are saying that he is shite. As I have specified, Nani has the potential to be one of the best players in the world. He can shoot as good as anyone, he can cross as good as anyone. By expecting more from a player because he is that good, that is a compliment and not an insult. I wouldn't come on here and say I expect Park to put in more frequent great crosses or have more frequent great long shots just for the sake of it, he simply isn't capable. Nani is capable. With Rooney, he is naturally a fantastic player. Wanting a naturally fantastic player to be more consistent during games is not an insult.
For example, Nani had a great goal and a super cross yesterday. That was what he did productively, whilst being a constant threat. Say for example he scored and assisted those goals in the first 5 minutes and did nothing else productively for the next 85 minutes, would people still say "well he set up a goal and scored a great one, so he was brilliant?"
The point is that Nani has that much potential that he produce more with the time & space that he has on the ball. He has that much talent. Is it wrong to say that I think he could put in these great crosses more often than he does? He obviously has the ability, so why not expect it? One or two per game can easily be upped to five or six considering the amount of chances he gets to put them in. Those whipped crosses he can put in are fantastic, the Fletcher goal v Everton springs to mind. Those types of crosses are perfect. You don't need to be big or great in the air to score. They are practically impossible to defend. He can do that all the time, he is that good.
Now how posting something like this makes me a Nani hater is beyond my comprehension. I have never hated or disliked any United player, apart from maybe Andy Goram.
Bloody hell weso you're giving Nani way too much praise
I just don't understand all this Nani hater shit that certain posters think is going on. It's fecking stupid.
Ah now, your criticism was fair enough, but some people still have an agenda against the lad. It's always going to be the case considering the amount of twats who said "he'll never make it" at the club, they're bitter now and trying to justify previous statements in some slight way.
Mind you, I think you're slating yesterdays crossing a bit much. I Thought it was pretty good for the most part, just like I said before, he was clearly being told to go near post for corners.
I agree with you in relation to the near post corner thing. As I said in another thread, it was clearly the tactic.
I wonder if this season can be Nani's equivalent of Ronaldo's 06/07 season. Like Ronaldo, Nani started showing more consistently his potential after christmas and came into the new season confident. I don't even think we have seen Nani at top form this season but he has been very good and is producing assists and goals on a regular basis.
I don't want to compare Nani and Ronaldo as players but I think their development might have similar curves and we'll see Nani only getting better the next couple of years. How good he can become, I don't want to predict but I will say that there's already not many wingers in Europe I'd trade him for.
Its because usually most of our other players arent critiqued the same way. If Giggs scores and creates a goal, most people ignore the shitty crosses he put in and all the times he gave the ball away. And same with Valencia.
But with Nani for some reason it has to be stated that he could have done better with his crossing, when thats the case of everyone including Beckham. Its true he could have done better with his crossing but its his crossing that created some of our best chances and allowed Owen to rescue a point.
For most players a goal and an assist is enough for people to look past other things. For Nani it isnt.
Well you yourself just said in your big post that Nani did nothing productive for 85mins of the Bolton match, so you're inviting people to call you up on that; you're stating as fact (ok, it's only opinion, but you certainly sound like you believe it to be fact) something that many disagree with. In my opinion, for example, Nani did a lot more in that game than just five minutes of good play; he looked dangerous for large periods, held the ball up well and was a good outlet on the wing, played in Jo'sh a number of times, put in some decent tackles when needed, got into some great forward positions and was a real handful for the Bolton defence; his ball for Owen's goal was perfect, as was one or two others which we ultimately failed to capitalise on, and his goal was a world class individual peach; even allowing for a few wayward corners and crosses, to say he contributed nothing productive except the ball for Owen and his goal is just nonsense, so it would appear that you either have a poor grasp of general wing-play or you're just being unreasonably critical of his game for reasons unknown. It's not surprising then that certain posters might think you have something against the lad, you should be flattered really, because at least they're giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you're not just being thick.
Has Nani now signed a deal with Adidas?? They looked like F50's on his feet against Bolton.
P.S he has by far been one of our best players this season and most 'productive'
You can see the similarity.
I was hoping he'd follow Ronaldo's trajectory even more closely by having an excellent summer of international football to kick-start his season.
As it turns out, I think we'll benefit from his enforced rest.
You can say that again! The fecking WC has killed the rest of the bloody squad!
I think with Nani although he is producing, he is still very inconsistent within games in his decision-making, crossing etc. Fans can see how good he has the potential to become if he irons out the inconsistency and they are sometimes overly harsh on him because of that.
Name me a winger in world football who isn't inconsistent with his crossing?
Do people not understand that crossing is mostly a "luck" exercise? shit crosses can sometimes be great crosses because of the striker's run or finish, take Owen's goal, if he doesn't make such a great run you all moan at Nani again for hitting the front man?
If only the majority of the caf played football.
If only the majority of the caf read posts before responding.
He wasn't just talking about crossing.
What's wrong with responding to a part of a post?
to answer the thread. he is the best winger in the country and among the best players in Europe.
as i said earlier, he's certainly snapped out of the questionable form he's had since arriving. i was never a nani hater but i was a nani doubter to be sure. all that's gone since he came to life last season. his goal yesterday was fantastic and very ronaldo-like. someday we'll stop saying his goals remind us of ronaldo and just say "that's a typical nani goal." now...if he'll just stop feeling the need to do down so easy at times...
Nani is probably the best winger in Europe right now. Expect massive bids from him from Barca and Real in the near future. I hope Cristiano doesnt start another horrible charm offensive similar to when he wanter Rooney to go to Real by saying that he dreams of playing with Nani at Real! Nani seems happy and might just stay though.
Malouda is not far off nani now and is one of the very best too. Both are the best wingers in Europe now as Cristiano is cracking under the pressure at Real while Robben is in intensive care for another few months.
First of all, I didn't say he only played well for 5 minutes. I asked the question if he provided a goal and an assist for the first 5 minutes, is his work done? Can he just stop for the rest of the match? The point I was making was that just because he scored and made a goal, does not mean he necessarily had a great game. From what others said, he was brilliant because he provided a great goal and assist. My point is there is a lot more to it.
I said on numerous occasions that he looked very dangerous throughout the match. Please show me otherwise since I have no grasp of wing play.
And I don't see how saying his crossing was poor for the most part (whilst saying he could be one of the best crossers around) means I have something against him. Even the people who say some are "Nani haters" have said that his crossing wasn't that good.
If saying that a player who clearly has the ability to be one of the best crossers in the game could sometimes be more consistent when it comes to crosses (since it clearly comes easy enough to him) is being overly critical, then it must be impossible to suggest anything else but that he is absolutely perfect.
You obviously don't grasp what I am saying.
Giggs is immune from critisism. If he plays a bad game, regardless of how poor he is, there is never a thread slagging him off.
Valencia is constantly slagged off by certain people.
If Valencia scored and created a goal, but the majority of his crosses were poor when he was in great positions, is it unfair to say that we should expect a little more if he has the ability to produce?
After scoring another cracking goal and a beautiful cross for the assist I find it hard to believe people still want to focus on the negatives...
He's had 5 assists in 5 games, as well as two great individual goals and you look back to this time last season - him taken off before the hour mark after a very frustrating performance against Stoke, and a place on the bench against Wolfsburg in the next game - and it's quite special.
It took him until the 27th March last year to match this number of assists and April 7th to match this number of goals, he could go on a run of 5 games back to his frustrating self and I wouldn't be worried nor critical of Nani.
I never said otherwise? I was just trying to explain and put a bit of perspective on some people's frustrations with him.
As for luck, no one would criticise his crossing if he was putting it in the right areas and the strikers weren't getting on the end them. However he has a tendency to overhit them.
And for what it's worth I've probably been playing and watching football for longer than you, but thanks for the attempt at trying to patronise me.
Reading through the last few pages of this thread, I cannot see one single poster who has only focused on the negatives. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
Amazing isn't it ?
No player should ever be exempt from criticism.
All I really want from Nani thats not there now is consistency not in a goals or assists sense. More with the rest of his game. Sometimes a simple pass is right option. He still has too many "quiet" spells.
Whats your view on the left sided V's right sided Nani debate?
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