National Speed Limit Reduced - France

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    Paul the Wolf Full Member

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    For those on the Caf planning to travel to or through France this summer.

    A reminder or if you didn't know already:
    The national speed limit for two way roads without a central reservation outside of towns is being reduced from 90km/h to 80km/h as from 1st July 2018.

    Other speed limits not altered.

    Not a popular move but unlike all the laws in the UK this was not imposed by the EU.

    Supposedly a two year trial.

    Link below but is in french.

    http://www.securite-routiere.gouv.f...la-vitesse-maximale-autorisee-de-90-a-80-km-h
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    Levo Band of Brothers

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    No one cares?

    @Big-Red do the honours.
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    17 Van der Gouw biffa bin

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    All for this.

    Didn't Spain do the same a while back? At c.50mph many petrol engines are at their sweet spot for fuel economy and IIRC emit lower CO2 levels.

    On top of the safety benefits, I'd say this is a no brainer, and other countries would do well to follow suit.

    I'm looking at you Germany.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    Thanks for the heads up.
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    Penna Kind Moderator (with a bit of a mean streak) Staff

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    I'd bet that quite a lot of people on this forum drive regularly in different countries in Europe. So, yes, people care and it's helpful to be told and avoid getting a ticket.
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    11101 Full Member

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    Another step backwards.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    Interested in why you say that.
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    Parma Dewol Full Member

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    Wouldn't mind something like this in the UK, but would lower speed limits stop the nutters from overtaking dangerously on country lanes? Probably not.
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    Safety or anti-traffic jams?
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    Oh well still faster than in Holland (70) :)
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    IIRC it's about safety, these are the most lethal roads.
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    Stanley Road I.C.F. Member

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    Speed limits are irrelevant in Holland, most people think 70 is the minimum.
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    There hasn't been much recent development in transport to make things better for the people who use it. It's all about efficiency.
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    Not a fan of paying fines so it’s relevant for me.

    I’m notoriously well behaved though.
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    Good, French people drive like twats.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    I think someone mentioned that some of these roads are quite dangerous, to my mind it is difficult to develop these roads to keep pace with the cars.

    Since most of these roads were originally the paths of horse and cart in a lot of places they come up against buildings or natural boundaries if not agriculture which I should imagine is hard to prise away from French farmers with their tractors.

    Since a lot, maybe most drivers will drive to the ten per cent plus 2mph (3.22Kmh) limit that won't see you get a fine maybe that already had local roads having a mixture of slow and approx 100kmh drivers. I find it hard to maintain a national speed limit these days. You could overtake one bunch of slow drivers and come across more half a mile further on. I'd rather arrive a bit late then not at all.
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    I don't know about France but in the UK the speed limits were set in the 70s, when ABS was still the preserve of aircraft and traction control was a distant pipedream. What people forget is the speed limit is merely an upper limit. If drivers were trained properly you could safely increase them.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Or you can leave 5-10 minutes earlier. If I'm not mistaken these roads, national and departemental, represent 63% of the death toll, that's 2156 in 2017.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    I'm not sure if I've misunderstood you but we're not talking about dual-carriageway or motorway but two lane both way traffic roads instead. The speed limit nationally in France on motorways is 130kmp or 110kmh in the wet.

    Edit. Yes I think I have, I agree on driving to the limit but it doesn't happen in reality.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    Yes, I'd like to think I've never been late to a meeting. I'm sure I have but I always allow extra time and sit there if early twiddling my thumbs on Cover Orange.
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    Applies to any road scenario although motorways tend to be built to the speed limit rather than the other way around.

    Some single lane roads are perfectly safe to do 90km/h+ on, some are not safe for 80km/h. I don't agree with forcing everyone down to the lowest common denominator because France has a relatively poor standard of driving. Train people better and you don't have to, modern cars are more than capable.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    Yes you are absolutely right but whether we train people better or not there will still be several generations who have not been to clear.

    Most issues seem to occur due to unique drivers, ones that ignore the directions marked such as white lines but also speed limits, young inexperienced drivers who misjudge situations and perhaps no speed limit will help and older confused or just plain slow drivers. I think thats why it will always come down to the LCD unfortunately. Roll on fully automated traffic I guess.
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    Speed limits on country lanes are fairly low anyway. Main problem is enforcing those limits.

    What we need is for people to be taught to drive slower and why it's a good thing. Difficult in these days when everyone is in a rush.

    Oh and ban all people under 35 from the roads. Stick them on buses so they can travel en masse staring at hheir phones and listening to shit music.
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    oates No one is a match for his two masters degrees

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    @Paul the Wolf - btw can you alter and add to your title that the French Tractors are out and about causing some issues in France with Petrol supplies to garages currently?

    If this is still going on in a week or two we'll have a lengthy detour via Belgium etc.
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    Abizzz Full Member

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    Feck no. 100km/h is fine.

    I know all the stationary controls and luckily there don't seem to be many mobile controls in Alsace. I wasn't following the 90 beforehand so this won't change much for me. Good to know for longer drives through France though.
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    We've had no problems in our region. It seems that negotiations have improved and the farmers seem to be lifting their blockade of most of the sites where they had blocked access. If the problem continues I will add to the title.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    You can reduce braking time, but not thinking time.

    An increase of 50% extra speed (say from 20mph to 30mph or 40mph to 60mph) approximately doubles
    the stopping distance

    That said, is love it if we could legalise driving at 85mph on empty motorways where it's safe to so. People have done it for decades.
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    Why? the most efficient country in Europe is travelling around at speed getting things done. the driving standards on derestricted autobahns are far superior. it leads to them building better cars that are in turn more efficient yet more capable.

    Driver education/standards is the problem not speed 95% of the time.

    Its a social crime these days to be a driving/riding enthusiast I guess
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    The problem is the stopping distances in the Highway Code are from 40 years ago:

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    A publication did a test using a modern car vs. the Highway Code and got the following results.

    30mph - 36% reduction in braking distance
    40mph - 54%
    50mph - 50%
    60mph - 38%
    70mph - 47%

    Even with the additional thinking time the overall stopping distance on a 10mph speed increase is shorter than it was when those figures were published.

    In ~10 years time the thinking distance will be a moot point as radar braking will be as ubiquitous as ABS is now.