Discussion in 'Other Sport' started by ha_rooney, Dec 1, 2011.
Once again, Miami dig themselves a hole early in the game, and it looks like they are going to play catch up for the rest of this game as well..
Not a good start for Miami..
Wade and James combined for 70pts in Heat's win. Can they do that twice more to clinch the series or can the Pacers dump them out?
Lebron's statline tonight was
What a game! Phew!
James, 40 points, 18 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks...
Wade, 30 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steals, 2 blocks, 0 turnovers!
Won't get any easier though..
I saw a Pacer called for a foul for boxing out today, and Diaw was just called for another. I guess boxing out is such a lost art when someone does it well it looks like a foul!
Back in the day you could back your man to the 3 point line if you could, if he fell down that was his problem!
Spurs closing out the Clippers - Spurs just had too much.
Coaching, experience, the big 3....
Incredible how much the game has changed in 20 years, for the worse if you ask me. Of course sometimes it would get out of hand and be too rough but I still prefer it compared to how it is now. There are too many bullshit invisible fouls being called these days.
The likely Spurs-Thunder series will be very interesting. Two teams with almost complete opposite style of play and they are both awesome.
Great teams win when they're not at their best. It was a below average game from the Spurs but they're just relentless, they've been brilliant so far overall.
But like Parker said after the game, they haven't accomplished anything worth noting yet, they're after the title and that's it.
Can't wait to see it the Thunder's offense can outpace the Spurs. Here are the results of their regular season match-ups, 2-1 to the Spurs with 2 of the games in OKC. Points to a Spurs win considering that and their form.
Jan 8, Oklahoma City vs San Antonio, [@OKC] Thunder W108-96
Feb 4, San Antonio vs Oklahoma City, [@SA] Spurs W107-96
March 16, Oklahoma City vs San Antonio, [@OKC] Spurs W114-105
I completely agree the game has changed for the worse, and will probably not be going backward. I can only hope the game evolves to be more like the 90s again.
Great clip, whenever I watch some old Jordan clips I realize he's even better than I remember. If some channel started televising all of Jordan's old games I'd be more interested in watching those than the current NBA games.
Annoyingly I couldn't find this one Jordan compilation that blew my mind, but here are a few nearly as good.
Perhaps this is the one you were looking for? IMO the best Jordan compilation on youtube.
I think that is it, thank you very much! Fantastic to see so many amazing plays so quickly without have to see each one in slow mo from 3 angles. That's nice sometimes, but this gives you a much larger catalogue than you'd get the other way. Definitely some plays in here I've never seen before. I'll have to remember to bookmark it this time!
I hope someone somewhere is cloning MJ.
-Shorter than most, simple editing job, but my favourite. Not enough of his point playing period though(which was only 30 odd games tbf and well, he was like better than Magic in those 30 games which tells you everything.)
And this(it is in the video, just wanted add it, GOAT block)
Very enjoyable clip as well, Zen.
Loved this pic of James on yahoo basketball, looks like some sort of super-villain, possibly related to Jaws from Moonraker.
Love how the NBA arranges games so LeBron is on Sunday. Heat-Pacers get two days off between games where as the Lakers-Thunder and Clippers-Spurs had to play back-to-back nights.
That was a magnificent performance by LBJ yesterday but probably doesn't equal a win if Wade didn't turn out a great performance as well. Gonna need both of those guys topping 60 combined per game to win this series.
Little something for the MJ fans:
Can Lakers advance now? Really hope Kobe has a magnificent game and pulls off a win, and Lakers somehow advance. Still, it looks unlikely i guess.
Van Gundy fired. Magic messed up IMO, should've kept Stan and dealt Howard, there is no chance Howard commits his long-term future to them yet they've bent over backwards for him by getting rid of the coach.
Ron Artest used to be an explosive scorer with a great if ugly jump shot, could hit the three, almost single handedly beat the Lakers with the Rockets the year before he came to the Lakers. Sure he's a bit older, but there's no reason he should have lost the ability to shoot like he has. It's bizarre. But when you look at Pau also falling apart, and Bynum being the 2nd best center in the league and largely anonymous against the Thunder, it just reinforces my belief that Kobe's selfishness has contributed greatly to the atrophy of his fellow player's talents. If you don't use it you lose it.
It reminds me of how it used to be that a coach would make sure each of their big players would have big games, when the Lakers had Magic, Worthy, Byron Scott, Perkins and Divac, each of those players would have several 20 point games over the course of the season, they would get their numbers called for games throughout the season, so when they were needed in the playoffs they were ready. Much like how SAFs rotation has often served us in the past with bench players being more integrated when needed in late season games.
If the Lakers need to call on any player other than Bryant due to match up advantages, no one seems like they've ready to be their best, like Untied looked in a 433 this season, we just didn't play it enough to be our best when we needed it.
End of the road for the Lakers - they can't come back next season with
Simply impossible. One, possibly two of those 4 have to be moved on.
Thunder in this series, too young, too hungry, too good for them.
Yep, it's really the end of an era for the Lakers, the big 3 of Kobe, Bynum and Pau will probably never win another title.
Pau's performances mean he'll be the most at risk of being traded. Bynum's had a fantastic season by his standards but his attitude is questionable and I'd like to think that the Lakers will consider moving for Howard. Then the likes of McRoberts & Murphy who contribute feck all should be let go off.
It's been a very disappointing season for the Lakers. At times we've played very well and looked dangerous and other times we've been clueless. The aggressive D was evident at the start of the season and then disappeared.
Kobe's older and with OKC improving each year it's going to be a lot harder for him to get the 6th ring unless the Lakers make significant changes. I liked the trade for Sessions but we need bench depth and one (if not both) of the bigs will have to go.
OKC-Spurs should be a close series. I think the Spurs have been the stand-out team this season and if anyone deserves to win it's them. However, I like how OKC play and the intensity they have in their offense, plus it would be funny if Fisher gets another ring after being dumped by LA.
I'd suggest it's been the Spurs with the more intense offense. They have scored more points in the playoffs than the Thunder, 102.5 and 100.0 respectively, after also edging them in the regular season 103.7 to 103.1, the 2nd and 3rd highest scoring teams after the Nuggets.
In the playoffs the Spurs have the advantage in FG%, 49.1 to 46.5, 3 points % 42.3 to 35.4, rebounding 41.3 to 40.1, and most impressively lead in assists 24.1 to 17.1, in addition to outscoring the Thunder.
The Thunder have more blocks, 7.8 to 5.4, steals 8.8 to 7.4, a better FT% 84.0 to 73.9 with more attempts, as well as less turnovers 10.6 to 12.8. They're also holding their opponents to a smaller FG%, 41.2 to 42.3, but gave up more points than the Spurs, 90.7 to 88.2.
One advantage for the Thunder is that Durant and Westbrook are in the ascendency, and they're more likely to find a new level in this series than any of the Spurs.
Should be great fun, this series should be much better than the finals, no matter who makes it there from the East.
Spurs in 6 for me and whoever wins the West will be the champions, so I'm sticking with Spurs too.
With regards to Lakers, I'll get rid of Artest and Bynum for Howard. They're both crackjobs who have motivational problems and really need to grow up. Gasol will do fine if he's tasked with being the 3rd option behind Kobe and Howard, hopefully Sessions will step it up another level next season and start getting more agressive.
Ways to fix the Lakers, according to Scoop Jackson. There's also a Bayless v Smith debate in there.
Didn't see that coming really.. A good win, but there is no way it will be this comfortable next game.
Haslem's foul was a flagrant 2, but he barely made contact with the head, so I don't think it's worth further suspension. It will be upgraded though to flagrant 2 and he will be fined. I don't blame Haslem though for doing it, it's the second time in two games that a Heat player has his eyebrow cut open by a Pacer.
Pittman's foul on the other hand definitely deserves further suspension, it was very dangerous, AND it was really really stupid. a- Stephenson apologized for that comment. b- Howard already confronted him for it before last game. c- You are beating them up on the court.. Pretty childish from Pittman IMO.
However, Indiana have absolutely 0 right to complain about those fouls, because they started it, AND they made it clear that they are making it physical to let those "media darlings" know that they are tough guys.. Don't complain now, tough guys.
Anyway, crucial 3-2 lead. The toughest game in the series coming on Thursday.
Missed the game myself. But if Granger is out for the next game then it's over. Will be good for the Heat to win without Bosh. They'll want him back for Boston though.
Miami said he's in rehab and not close to court work right now, so I'd suspect getting him back by the finals would be the most realistic optimistic appraisal. Of course he may miss out on the rest of the season, in which case I can't see OKC or the Spurs failing to beat them.
As much as I don't like LeBron it's more satisfying seeing him lose with his team at full strength.
3 game suspension for Pittman. Fully deserved.. I think it wasn't more because most of the power of the hit was generated by Stephenson rushing forward rather than Pittman throwing the elbow. Also Pittman hasn't had similar incidents before.. Still it was very dangerous..
EDIT: One game suspension for Haslem as well.. In such a physical series, especially considering the circumstances, I'm surprised a bit about this one..
I can't see Miami winning the rebounding battle now with Indiana in game 6.
Surprised Haslem got suspended for a blatant hack on Hansbrough's face without any attempt to play the ball?
He didn't catch his face, or Hansbrough would be covered with blood, like Wade and Haslem were earlier in the series. He clearly hit him on the shoulder not the face.
Flagrant 2 I agree, but don't think it's worth a one game suspension as well.. They probably just wanted to even out the fact the Haslem finished the game on the team that won, which shouldn't have happened.
The commentators and studio analysts all agreed he should have been tossed and it would be upgraded. Either way, a suspension was just. It was a blatant attempt to strike the opponent and not play the ball, whether he hit his face or not.
I agree with that too. He should have been tossed, and it should be upgraded to flagrant 2. But what he received is an extra one game suspension, which I found a bit excessive.
Hansbrough's foul was also upgraded to flagrant 2, but no additional suspension.
By the way, it's also obvious that most of the commentators/media in general don't like the Heat (they wanna make money) AND they wanna see game 7. So it wouldn't surprise me if some ask for Haslem's head.
Ah, you're playing the Mark Cuban conspiracy card...
I thought Hansbrough's foul wasn't a flagrant as he actually played the ball and the way the opponent reacted and moved his arms/ball to the side, Hansbrough's momentum carried him down to the head/face area. Overreaction by officials from what I saw. But I suppose in a series like this there will be more marginal calls being singled out as harsher fouls.
Twenty years ago the officials would have just played on. This was a regular display by the Celtics and Pistons in those days and the Knicks a few years later.
Well, try to tell me what did Haslem do that deserves the suspension?
He didn't attempt to play the ball? Well did Granger when he pulled Lebron's jersey when he was breaking for an easy dunk?
He hit Hansbrough too hard? Well did he hit him as hard as Hansbrough hit Wade a couple of minutes before that leaving him bandaged for the rest of the game?
His play was dangerous? Well grow up! It was a hit on the arm/shoulder, every single player in the NBA has received such a hit tens of times..
The only thing that went against Haslem is the "retaliation" aspect which I think is stupid actually, because Indiana have been hammering the Heat for 5 games, and you suddenly decide you want to make it a clean series by punishing the players who were trying to defend themselves? Only? Stupid.
IMO Pittman could have received more games, but if you are going to suspend Haslem then Hasnbrough should be as well. (Although IMO neither should be suspended). It's like a double technical. Somebody intiates an incident, somebody else reacts, you slap both with technicals.
Anyway, the NBA "saw" it this way, so be it. Miami with an uphill task in this game now. No Bosh, no Haslem, not even Pittman... Will be very tough..
Come on now Danny, when you take two arms and strike down towards someone's head and no where near the ball, you're going to get in trouble. Hansbrough, though using excessive force and winding up, used one arm was going for the ball imho. It's not like it even matters.
This series has been great for the Pacers, they won two games which few would have predicted, and most importantly they'll walk away believing they're not that far away from Heat. Instead of thinking about their vacation they're going to be mad, they're going to feel like they were close and could have made it through.
This is a great thing for any organization struggling to be relevant again. I'm extremely happy these players look angry, they will be given a lot of belief that they can get past the Heat and the Bulls next year.
Like I said before, I think it will be 2 or 3 years until Hibbert and others will be good enough to get them into the elite teams, if he ever gets there. Granger is fairly young at 29 we can expect several more years of him at his best.
Though like I said before, James and Wade and Bosh won't get old before the Pacers, neither will the Thunder, so we'll have to find a way to raise our game significantly. But I think the Pacers have forced their way into the conversation of the top teams in the NBA.
I don't really know how Miami won that.. First game in this series in which the team that wins the rebounding battle, loses the game..
Wade, 41 points, 10 rebounds.
What a tough series... Glad it's over.
Is it gonna be Boston in the final?
Indiana are a very good team. A lot of people underestimated them, but I didn't. I know they are a very good team, and they gave Miami hard times in the regular season as well. They also had a tremendous record in the regular season, finished ahead of Boston and Orlando, and were even very close to Miami themselves.
Fair play to them. It was a great series.. They forced the best out of James and Wade, and were still close to winning it.. Full credit to them.
I only watched the last 1/3 or so, but it was tied at 61 or so around then, and a series of turnovers by Indiana led to a quick 10 point lead that the Heat held onto.
Seemed to me, in the bit I saw, that Indiana failed to stuff the ball into Hibbert as much as they need to to beat Miami. Hibbert should get 20 shots a game against a team with so little height. He was 5-8 but that's was never going to be good enough. I'm glad to see West got the ball and took 16 shots, making 10. 93 points is a pretty good title really, but we can't give up 103.
The Pacers are pretty good defensively, but none of them are top class defenders, none of them can really play James or Wade straight up. 2nd year man George is probably our best on the ball defender, and he's way too young to shut down either of those two.
Will be interesting to see if we try to make a trade or add a player.
The problem with the trade is that it messes up the team chemistry a bit, and the team plan in general, especially if you are getting an all star which means you have to give up more than one player..
Do Indiana still have some cap space left to add a maxed out player, like Deron Williams?
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