Next Arsenal Manager

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    1Manchester New Member

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    Agreed, likewise I would also add that the owner himself is dragging down the value of the club every season he continues to own it, especially when their absenses in the Champions League become more regular and more importantly they will end up losing the next generation of fans (to other clubs, including a certain other club in North London) who did not grow up under the Graham or (early) Wenger eras, something the club will end up paying the price for in the long run.

    So even financially, what Kroenke is doing does not make any sense whatsoever in the case of a club like Arsenal.
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    Cassidy Not to be confused with Cassady the Liverpool fan

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    He could be a failure and he could finish lower than 6th something you don’t seem to acknowledge.

    Its an interesting gamble. Personally I think they should have gambled with someone who has managed before but hey ho.
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    Adisa Full Member

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    Although I understand your reasoning, that's where we disagree. I feel the chances of him finishing below sixth are smaller than the chances of him being a success. Imo, Arteta has a very low bar to achieve before being regarded as a success and that's why I think they are willing to take what looks like a monumental risk.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    If Arteta gets top 4 against this row of killers, will he be seen as a success? With away wins v City, Utd and Liverpool?
    Of course he will. You're stretching the Wenger point as if it has nothing to do with Wengers being there for 20 years while ignoring the needs of the side in the transfer market etc.
    A new voice that has them thinking they're on the path to recovery will be like manna from heaven.
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover

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    That's a fair point. I still think the success of the Rams makes stingy Stan more likely to go with Gazidis' cheap Arteta gamble.

    I stand corrected and clearly need to update my Ajax info :lol:

    No a good sign. He wasn't memorable enough for you to know him at the time ;)

    I'd interpret it more as Wenger refusing to sign a real DM and sticking Arteta in that role simply because he is an intelligent player. But Arteta lacked the skill set to really be successful in that role and often would either get beat due to being slow or teammate's poor tactical discipline so he would make a rash tackles. I never saw him as being an "aggressive player" and nothing I saw from his rather mediocre play at holding mid makes me think he will be particularly good at setting up defenses or instilling a solid defensive attitude in players.

    But its certainly possibly he picked up on Pep's aggressive pressing system and might implement something like that.
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    Gio 4 times Redcafe Draft Winner

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    Kind of how I'm assessing Rangers appointing Gerrard.

    Only difference is, Rangers can only attract a certain calibre of manager to Scotland, whereas a PL-money-pumped Arsenal should be able to attract almost anybody.
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover

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    Most Arsenal fans will not consider him even a mild a success unless he returns us to Top 4. He won't get the blame if he fails though. Gazidis will.
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    Cassidy Not to be confused with Cassady the Liverpool fan

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    We only disagree if you feel he cannot come lower than 6th, bear in mind I didn't say he would.

    Whats the low bar that he has to achieve to be a success? And is that equal to success for Arsenal?

    It all depends on Arsenals ambition, if they want to be a top club and challenge for titles then its a risk, its not bad to take risks though.
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    Allegri or Ancellotti
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    You could say the same about Real or Barca when they appointed Pep and Zidane though. Maybe they saw something in him that made them think he was worth giving a shot too.

    Arsenal are in comfortably the worst current position of all the big teams, but at the same time the teams below them really aren’t likely to catch up with them. If this goes up in flames it’s not like they’re going to drop from 1st to 7th like we did. They can just get rid of him and start again from basically the same position they’re in now.
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    On Friday arsenal will announce Arteta
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    I don't agree, because every additional season they spend outside the top 4 (and thus the CL) further damages their finances and their drawing power as a club.
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    squiggle Full Member

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    I hoped to see him back at Arsenal, even though I didn't think it would be so soon. If they've looked at him decided he can do the job then I'll trust them and be quietly excited. A little nervous, of course, but pleased.
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    The Bloody-Nine Full Member

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    I really, really hope they appoint Arteta.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    I think its refreshing they are willing to go for a fresh face entirely.
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover

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    Its' a catch 22 situation for Kroenke. If he wants a stable CL club, he needs to hire a proven manager who will demand atleast 200 mil transfer budget every summer. But he could take a risk in hiring an unproven manager who might take the club down further.

    But what Kroenke is hoping is that the unproven manager (Arteta) will make the most of the talent he already has and surprise everyone by over-performing.

    Let's face it, even if Arteta does a bad job, he will probably be on 2-3 million a year in wages as opposed to the likes of Allegri who may demand 7-10 mil. So sacking Arteta won't cost much. And if he succeeds, Kroenke actually saves a lot of money while getting his 4th place trophy too. It actually is a sound financial decision in some ways.
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    FootyGirl88 Full Member

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    I agree - I don't think Arsenal can afford to be sentimental. They need a manger who will come in and rule with a iron fist, I don't think Arteta will bring that.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    There's nothing refreshing about this at all....It's just ridiculous that a guy like Arteta ends up taking over a club like Arsenal.We thought that our board was brain dead to appoint Moyes,but this is on a completely different level.And I don't care who he's worked under,that really means nothing.

    His work as an assistant/coach under Guardiola and Wenger doesn't mean a thing.Rene Meulensteen and Mick Phelan spent many many seasons working under SAF,but both of them have failed to establish themselves as successful managers...
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    Announce Arteta ASAP. :D
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    Its as 'ridiculous" as Real appointing Zidane and Barca when they appointed Pep and both were refreshing moves. I also dont see why you should mention who he has worked under for it was never part of my argument
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    Guardiola and Zidane both managed the B team which played in a lower division. Guardiola especially did very well and won the 2nd division.

    Both of those managers did the 'lower league' job that prepares them for a top club.

    Top clubs do not hire managers with no experience because it is far too risky. That is why Madrid and Barca insisted on both of these managers to manage the B team, so they can see what they are like and if they have good qualities for the A team.
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    Arsenal has a whole new backroom staff with Mislintat (chief scout), Sanllehi (football director), Mertesacker (academy) and some other staff had to go and they will be replaced. They are trying to put the competences on diffrent shoulders as it should be in a modern club like it is for example in most german clubs. So therefore it's also less of a risk to appoint an unexperienced manager. So even if it fails with Arteta the club has already decided in which direction they want to go, so it doesn't has to be a complete turnaround if Arteta goes. They just need a new manager with the same plan/values like for example Nagelsmann whom Mislintat wanted as numbre 1 target but who stays one more year at hoffenheim.

    Even though Arteta was not the first priority choice, I still think he can become successful. The two biggest problem will be how he can handle star players and if he can attract top players.
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    BennyBlanco fixated with Shaw's bum

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    Lets be honest, if they appoint Arteta, we as Man Utd fans would be pretty happy, that should say something surely?
    Maybe he'll prove a success in his first job, who knows but Arsenal have both the money and the prestige to appoint top draw, proven pedigree and it appears they're going to gamble instead.
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    R'hllor Full Member

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    Arteta being appointed isnt an issue, he could win a league with Arsenal next season as far as we know, what issue would be a Arsenal board reasons why they might hire him.
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    Gio 4 times Redcafe Draft Winner

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    Sure, this is the key part. It always depends on what the rationale is in appointing the ex-player straight into the hotseat of a big club. A fan-appeasing big name and/or someone who knows the club well already, or is it because they are a smart cookie and already have the managerial and tactical qualities to succeed. Hard for fans to know what side it falls into.
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    Just read a report on Sky Sports News saying they’re speaking with Arteta today and it claimed he will have £50m to spend.

    I’ve seen that figure branded around a few times, the new manager hasn’t got a chance.
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    Eckers99 Michael Corleone says hello

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    Shaun Wright Phillips's son is now playing for City's u-18s. Let that sink in.
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    Everton or Burnley have as much chance of winning the league as them, they need a huge rebuild.
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    That would be far more concerning than Arteta being hired from an Arsenal perspective.
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    Give it Artetah 'til the end of the season
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    Murray3007 Full Member

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    Arteta would be one fo the weirdiest choices for me, might be a cheap option which is why they are in for him, looking at the current arsenal team, how many would you actually be bothered about keeping? cant be many, they needa major rebuild and the 50m that seems to keep being mentioned is why they are prob going to need to gamble on the likes of Arteta, no way any top manager is coming in to that squad and only getting 50m to spend,
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    So get Arteta because he is never gonna complain about the budget.
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    I don't think the 50m figure is real honestly.
    We're already deep in talks to sign the young turkish CB for around 30M, trying for Seri and, unfortunately, Sokratis seems to be done.
    We're also pretty much certain to sign a GK with Leno being linked at around 25M.
    Even if the names don't match, these positions absolutely have to be filled.
    That's already well over 50M.
    The only sellable assets we have right now is Ramsey and Mustafi who will need to be replaced.
    We're never going to recoup Mustafi's price so i don't see how it adds up.
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    Il Prete Rosso Prete, the Italian Pete

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    That's all speculative.
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    Arteta LMAO!
    Just when you think missery is over for Arsenal fan
    Anyone who thinks this comparable to Barca appointed Pep or Madrid with Zidane is deluding themselves. Barca and Madrid were already had backbone of their respective squads, and La Liga wasnt so competitive unlike PL.
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    Arteta +50m budget. :lol:
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    Il Prete Rosso Prete, the Italian Pete

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    He's not the cheap option and it's not like he was their first choice. Most of the managers they wanted weren't available and it seems like Arteta is pretty well liked among the players and management at the club. He may be inexperienced in a top management role but I don't think he's gonna turn out the disaster everyone think it's gonna be. And the team doesn't need a major rebuild, they have very good attacking players. They need to get a new GK, a couple defenders, a right back and probably a DM. Added to that, we know that his football philosophy isn't like Wenger.
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    Il Prete Rosso Prete, the Italian Pete

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    Knowing how Arsenal do business, the 50 million is rubbish. They don't give out this information so I suspect that figure is all speculative.
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