Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Girish II, Jul 5, 2010.
Who is Ian mcgarry?
Of the forwards who do you think is?
feck off with your making sense.
I don't think there is one. I'd put him and Pato on a similar level. I'd have Ganso on a similar level too.
Lucas could be a standout, I've no idea.
Interesting to put him and Pato on the same level given that Pato has proven himself on a bigger stage than Neymar, although their attributes have some similarity. I think it will be interesting to see where Neymar ends up playing once he gets to Europe as he looked quite useful creatively as opposed to being just a very fast striker.
Lucas does look like a very exciting talent, have you been watching him in the recent youth tournament?
Nope, first time I'd seen him was today, I'd been trying to download a couple of Sao Paolo games but 1. I'm not sure which ones he's played in and 2. there's very few of them!
Plan on looking for a couple of those games in the youth tournament, gives me a bit more chance to see Neymar in full flow too.
Ok, let's splash all our cash on him... he's the one. I'm not joking.
Neymar destined for Premier League
ESPNsoccernet has learned that Brazil's new star Neymar is almost certain to be playing in the Premier League next season.
Neymar caught the attention of a wider audience when scoring twice in Brazil's friendly win over Scotland on Sunday at Arsenal's Emirates Stadium, and it is expected that he will be gracing English stadiums on a more regular basis.
The 19-year-old Santos forward is jointly represented by Brazilian agent Wagner Ribeiro and the influential Pini Zahavi, who is a close associate of Sir Alex Ferguson.
Manchester United believe Neymar could be a potential long-term replacement for Ryan Giggs, but it was Chelsea and Manchester City who were represented at Sunday's game with Carlo Ancelotti and Roberto Mancini both in the directors' box to watch Brazil's 2-0 victory.
The three English clubs are among a limited group of elite teams who could afford to sign Neymar from Santos, given his buyout clause currently stands at €45 million (£39.6 million). Chelsea attempted to sign him last summer, only to be rejected by the player as he chose to remain in Brazil.
Neymar has previously expressed his admiration for Italian football in particular but could be warming to England having been given permission by Brazil coach Mano Menezes to remain overnight in London on Sunday while the rest of the squad travelled home.
The player and his entourage were treated to a night out by Ribeiro and Zahavi, who has been given the authorisation to conduct Neymar's international affairs.
After his performance at Arsenal's home ground, Neymar said: "...the stadium is great; the pitch is too. The [English] weather I don't like all that much, but I could get used to it."
Meanwhile, Zahavi told ESPNsoccernet: "Yes, we were all very happy with his performance at the Emirates."
Watch this space or not.
Replacement for Giggs? Hmm. Can't see us splashing the amount of money that would be needed for him when we already have Nani, park and Valencia on the wings. If we have to spend this much on a player I rather we did it on Sneijder because that's the kind of player we really need.
Lets be honest, he's not coming here.
One source says he will definitely be going to Italy next season. Another source says he will definitely move to England next season. Either way he is leaving Brazil and moving to Europe next season.
He'll cost a fortune wherever he goes.
I thought it looked like a nice sunny afternoon.
Did he mean in general or the day he played against Scotland?
Well thanks for being honest.
Doubt he'd ever come here, but will always remain one of those transfer muppet dream targets. He could very well become one of the best in the world, so its important he goes to somewhere that would manage his development well.
renties it could be then.
Neymar dreams of Chelsea move
The Santos striker, who scored both Brazil's goals in the friendly win over Scotland at the Emirates, told Sky Sports News: "Chelsea's a great club. It's a dream of every player to play at Chelsea.
"If one day it happens, I will be very happy to come."
Chelsea already have a trio of Brazilians in their squad in David Luiz, Ramires and Alex and although Neymar insists he is happy at Santos he is clearly ready to consider a move to Stamford Bridge.
"When the moment comes we are going to sit with my family. We are going to think about it and discuss the options," he said.
"Last year, when Chelsea came, we sat together and we thought it wasn't the time yet.
"If it happens this year, we are going to sit again and going to discuss about it."
SAF will lure him.
How can it be any players dream to play for Chelsea. They have literally no history, a limited world pedigree and a shit stadium to boot.
More than that, they don't exactly have a history of bringing through young players, do they?
If I were in Neymar's position, there's no way I'd entrust my future to Chelsea or City. United, Arsenal or Barcelona would all be far more sensible choices surely.
Him moving the Chelsea will be no surprise, he's been saying he wants the move for a long time.
It's not laughable why someone would want to move there, let's be fair. They are a top club now, the challenge for the PL & CL every season and they'll pay sky high wages. Do you think a 19 year old footballer gives a feck about history?
Plus 2 of his mates play there in Luiz and Ramires.
He is already playing at the top level, both as a starter for Santos and Brazil national team. He doesn't need to be brought through, he's ready to deliver, that's what makes him so special.
Only a few players have the ability to be that good at such young age, the likes of Rooney and Messi come to mind. It's not as if he'll have to spend time in the reserves or youth team to prepare for the big boys, he's been doing it for a while now, and he stands out in a Brazil national team, no less, which is always full of individual talent. Neymar proved over the last few months that he's ready to make it on the big stage.
The only worry when it comes to Neymar is his psychological fragility, he is a bit immature and has a history of being a bit of a selfish and mouthy cnut . Whether he is mentally ready to make a move to England and act like a mature adult on the back of a huge transfer fee and huge weight of expectations is the real question.
The reason he's so highly rated is because he has been prolific at every level. He shone at youth level, both for his club and internationally, broke through into the Santos first team and just kept scoring, and now he is a regular for Brazil and has scored 3 in 3. People on here are questioning why people are so convinced about him but the facts are there for all to see, it's hard not to be convinced about him given the way he's going currently. The next big step is a move to Europe and, wherever he goes, it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Chelsea pay big wages and it's London nightlife - these are big draws.
Good point. People underestimate how much of a pull London is to people with deep pockets. Manchester doesnt come close.
I've heard this before. Probably very true. Ronaldhino may have actually signed for the club if Manchester United were located in London.
I cant wait for someone to claim it has always been their 'dream' to play for City.
"ever since i was a kid, 14 years ago" yeh right..
should fit right in at Chelsea then.
have to agree about the last bit however, he definately has the talent its the weight of expectations and the whether he can reach some form of consistency. Being at Chelsea with the likes of Torres, Drogba, Essien, Lampard, Terry, Cech will take some of the heat off him and they can help him adjust if his attitude is in the right place.
Do foreign players sign for Manchester United because you have one of the best sides in Europe, win trophies on a regular basis and are capable of paying top wages or is it purely due to the fact that your club had won more trophies than most others in the past few decades? If winning history is so important why don't these world class stars line up to join Liverpool? Or better yet, how about Nottingham Forest?
Why should a 19 year old kid from San Paulo give two shits about what happened long before he was born? Neymar, just like any other modern footballer wants two things : money and trophies. Chelsea can give him both. The rest is just a lip service for the fans.
Liverpool are a very good example of a club that players will join despite their relative lack of success because of who they are and the prestige of playing for such a historically big and popular club. I can see why a young player from brazil would want to play for Chelsea for the money and opportunity to play cl football, but any desire to play for that particular club is utter bollocks. You'll get players with clauses in their contracts allowing them to join united, real, barca because they are "dream" clubs. Chelsea: do me a favour.
I can see him going to City in the summer Robinho style
Actually, being a part of a club with huge history and tradition will always be important to some players. You are as likely to be successful at United, Real or Barcelona as you are at Chelsea but you also get to play for teams that are adored by millions of fans worldwide, pack their stadiums week in week out and are generally consideres as the biggest guns. On the other hand you have a club that was basically created by a single Russian and his history, and might likely go back where they belong once said owner loses his desire to finance them.
That club existed for almost hundred years before that Russian bought it, you fecking retard. Just because one club won more trophies than the other doesn't mean the latter club doesn't have history.
You aren't, and will never be, on the same level as Manchester United and Liverpool when it comes to club history.
I'm not sure it's all about the deep pockets. If you're Brazilian, Portuguese or French there is a ex-pat community in London and places to eat, drink and dance.
History is not just a synonym for trophies won. I find it really irritating when fans of Liverpool and United talk about their history when in reality they should talk about their history of winning trophies instead. Chelsea have been about since 1905, is that not history to you?
History will only tell that Chelsea bought their way to where they are today. They can't be compared to any normal team who evolved naturally. Plastic club, plastic achievements, plastic fans
Of course it is, but we are talking about greatness and how clubs are seen throughout history.
United and Liverpool have both. History of winning trophies and a general history which holds them both in such high esteem world wide.
Chelsea have neither.
It's not quite that simple. History in this context is just a series of memorable moments/matches/seasons/whatever. It's not unreasobable to suggest that the significance of those moments of history, which combine to make up the fabric of a club, will always be more striking and of that time than a club who knocked about in mid-table for a few decades.
On the other point, I love going to Manchester for games but London as a place to live for an outsider with no connection to the area(s) will always set itself apart.
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