Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Reapersoul20, Dec 10, 2011.
Sorry, thought you were making a point about Gaitan as you've been skeptic for a while.
Well, when you're as perfect and flawless as I am, you'll learn to forgive and forget.
Anyway I've already said what I think about Gaitan ie I havent seen him enough to judge him. However, if he is truly a winger (that's what the majority of posters seem to agree on)....do we really need him? We've already got Nani, Valencia, Park and Young there. That's the only thing Im skeptic about.
I'll throw this out there again, but if we are only going to have three recognised strikers next season, then Gaitan, or another, could be brought in to fill a couple of roles and give us options.
Out and out strikers: Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez.
Second Strikers: Rooney and Gaitan.
It allows us to rest Rooney or even move Rooney up top with Gaitan in behind in certain games. Plus he can play out wide. Fergie likes players that can play a few different positions.
Young is also capable of playing as a second striker and I think he did that once this season.
On fifa i have played him as a LB for argentina, and he has excelled there.
Perhaps he is Evras new replacement?
I just think Young is the only player we have that is really considered a left winger. Maybe he would play more through the middle if we signed Gaitan? From what I've seen of Gaitan though, I think he'd be a lot better playing through the middle than on the wing.
I still hope it's all bullshit or a smokescreen
He's very good.
This transfer all seems very De Gea to me.
First broken in the news that the deal was "done".
Then fergie was spotted at a game watching him play.
All things went quiet, and then rumours about a player + cash deal has surfaced. (fabio on loan).
I think its pretty much sown up.
Very suprised your all so critical over this, perhaps the muppets in you want hazard, but this kid is more than good enough.
He was? What game? Benfica - Man United? Man United - Benfica?
There's a better known alternative in Hazard and I think people prefer him based on what they've heard. I doubt most of the people complaining have bothered to watch either player. It didn't help that Gaitan was quiet in the second leg against Chelsea, as this is probably the only time most have properly had chance watch him.
I'd be happy to have him here based on what I've seen. I think there's more to come from him and a lot that some haven't seen in the Chelsea games.
We've been watching him for over a year apparently. Most papers say that Fergie watched him personally, but apparently our scouts have been watching Benfica games regularly this season and the end of last season.
Even if we aren't addressing our central midfield problems and opting for a creative left winger, better options are available and probably for less. Christian Eriksen and Kagawa come mind. But given the whole Valencia deal, I was way off the mark so I've finally consolidated with the fact that Fergie might know a thing or two about wingers.
That's what I thought too. However I insist do we really need that? Welbeck, Rooney and Young can cover the second striker role while Giggs, Park and Ando can cover the AMC role.
In an ideal world its never a bad idea to bring in a player who can play on both flanks and AMC. However we work on a limited budget and there's CM (and now LFB) that needs to be catered for.
Fergie went to watch Hazard play not Gaitan
Perhaps we don't need it right now, but we are always looking to the future. Giggs only has one more year and, whilst coming up with the goods now and then, he has been very wasteful for a while in his general play. As I said earlier too, Young is our only viable option for the left it seems.
I wouldn't judge this with a view to signing a CM though. We aren't run by idiots and we will budget correctly. If we sign Gaitan but no CM, then you can be sure that we weren't too bothered about the midfielder. We won't sign Gaitan and then realise we have no money left.
As far as you know.
So have we signed him yet? Someone call Jason burt.
Well do you know differently?
He seems to be one of those left-footed attacking playmakers in the Silva/Mata mould. Can't say I've seen much of him, but if he's anything like those two, I wouldn't mind him here.
All in the public domain. He watched Gaitan home and away when we played Benfica, that much is obvious. He personally went to the Lille v Lyon game to watch Hazard.
According to the british media, he was at stamford bridge when chelsea played benfica in the QF.
Who'd have thought it - arguably the greatest manager in the history of football.
Big fuss being made about this - if the club deem him worthy of splashing the cash on then I'm happy. I'm willing to wager the club watches any player extensivley before pulling the trigger - and that they know a lot more about potential ability than any one on here.
It makes me wonder why people are so down on a player plying his trade in portugal but go mand about those playing in France, Holland and Germany - all of which (with the possible slight exception of getrmany) are relatively similar in standard to my mind.
Well thats news to me. I watched that game and Fergie would have been highlighted had he been there, who said he was there?
You mean you didn't get the memo? Rats.
How about a link to back up "according to the British media".
Not sure if any of these vids are new or not:
We had already been not too bothered this season and we paid for it in europe. Next season scholes and giggs will get 1 yr older. Id rather see us spend the dosh in cm then on yet another expensive winger. Ffs we had added 5 wingers in the past yrs (bebe, valencia, young,tosic and obertan)
If he does sign I just pray to god the ARGENTINA ARGENTINA!!! chants don't return, never have I hated a chant at OT as much as that.
Ah the classic smart arse response, I don't recall saying he was a bad player, nope didn't do that, I just said there were better out there, which there are, maybe we can't afford them though.
Multiple papers have mentioned it a few times since we have been linked with Gaitan. He's just come on here and said Fergie hasn't watched Gaitan. I doubt he follows every Benfica game live, so how is he in a position to say that?
We have been saying for a while that we need a midfielder. For whatever reason, the club don't seem as desperate as some supporters. Don't count on us signing one.
How can you decide who is better? Who is better according to you?
its not about who is better to be honest, it is about who will fit in at Manchester United and make an impact the most. I will take Berbatov and his first seasons as an example, everyone wanted him here and he was better than most and we payed 30 mill for him but he didnt really make that much of an impact. If Fergie thinks this is the right signing (if this is true) then we should leave it at that because at the end of the day Fergie is the manager and honestly I do believe we have the funds, we have shown it last summer.
I already answered this question from you a few weeks ago.
Him and Hazard share many of the same traits, as does Gotze, it seems clear we are looking for a floating playmaker style of forward unless all the reports are lies, and I don't see any reason to expect him to fit in with us any better than Hazard, but he will be £10M cheaper which I think will be a factor if we go with Gaitan.
And I still don't understand how someone can know if Gotze/Hazard/Gaitan is better unless they watch all of them regularly week in week out.
I've watched all of them enough times to know Gaitan has never stood out and that the other two have looked complete class acts when I've watched them, Gotze even at international level.
I dont think we will sign both hazard and Gaitan. Imo we will sign Clyne and maybe someone like Gaitan.
Can someone tell me where he plays?
We dont need a 20m+ rated winger.. No point spending that amount when we have 3 good wingers already at the club.
Dont think he is a deep lying central midfielder, the sort we use in a 4-4-2
And there is no real point getting a big money #10 if we play 4-4-2 in more than half the games with Rooney being an option in that position.
The only way a #10 would make sense is if we change our primary formation from a 4-4-2 to a 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-2-3-1, whatever you want to call it..
With Berba, Owen likely to leave, Mame already gone and Kiko seemingly on his way out as well, it might be a possibilty.. Especially when you consider Rooney can play as a #10 and Welbeck can play from the left.. We can manage 3 strikers despite only having 1 play up top.
Not sure what Fergie is thinking, but I dont want us to change. I know its the way the game has gone, but I love the fact that we play 4-4-2.
Someone suggested he will play the role rooney plays now so we can move rooney up front and that way Hernandez and Welbeck can still play and Rooney can drop back in his current spot anytime giving room for another striker.
You don't need to watch players week in week out at all to make those calls. I hadn't seen Henderson all that many times to know he was distinctly average. Similarly, 4 or 5 games of watching Ozil at the world cup and I knew he was special.
His natural position is in the middle, behind the striker. He can play on either wing as well, similar to Hazard. It is clear with all the speculation that we are looking to sign an attacking midfielder, and I reckon Fergie has decided to change more for European football.
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