Nicolas Gaitan

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  1. Dec 18, 2011
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    If it means we're gearing towards more 433 then I like it, as long as he's not coming in to play as a winger...that would be very hard to understand.
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    Redfighter Officially gullible

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    I would have said

    -----------Cleverly-----------Carrick

    -------------------Rooney

    Nani---------Wellbeck/Hernandez------Gaitan


    Rooney is the Sneijderesque playmaker with Cleveral and Carrick the Busquets and Xavi type players. Gaitain and Nani would be your Messi and Pedro or Messi and Sanchez.

    It's basically an upgrade from having Ashley Young on the left.

    I think Park is coming to the end of his Old Trafford career (Giggs obviously so) so Valencia, Young, Nani and a other are wide forwards with Hernandaz and Wellbeck as the centre forwards, Rooney as the number 10 and 2 solid mids, with Young being able to deputise for Rooney. Would have all the right components.
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    In-the-know pundit on a different forum saying that the deal is all but set. Gaitán is said to be a type of player like Silva or Mata, according to him.
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    Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry

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    Which forum, link please?
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    Personally think it might be something more in the pipeline for the summer to replace Giggs.
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    Assuming this happens, if he is similar to Silva/Mata does that mean we play him from wide-left and let him drift centrally (therefore losing width) or play him behind the striker and move Rooney away from his favoured position?
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    Midfield 3 and compete for a wing spot when we play 4 in midfield. Could also cover Rooney's position if we have a shortage up front like recently
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    Transfermarkt.de

    The user is said to be quite reliable in terms of transfers.
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    gooDevil Worst scout ever

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    Not that I would mind an upgrade on young, but that seems like a strange move if that's all we're after, having just bought young and having twice as many wingers as any other club.

    I really hope, as well, we're not planning on playing Rooney in a midfield 3. I'd rather see a front 3 of Nani, Rooney and Gaitan and then Carrick, Cleverley and Jones in midfield.
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    Not sure how real this story is.

    I mean we have been close to signing so many player this year according to reports 0r "reliable" pundits/itks.
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    digitalnirvana Part of Team Smashed

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    I'd rather we didn't try to use Rooney as a 'playmaker' to be honest.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    :confused:

    He is the one who makes our play, so why not?
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    I just don't find him a natural creator, his passing talents suggest that he could be a very good deep lying playmaker, but obviously he is too good a striker to do that, imo he doesn't have enough flair to play in an advanced creative role. To be honest though, the only player in our squad who I consider truly creative is Giggs.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    That's madness.

    Look at that pass to Jones, for his one vs one with the goalie, just as an example of creating changes from today's game.
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    Work with a Portuguese guy who supports Benfica. He said that Gaitan going to us has been all over the news in Portugal since yesterday.
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    not too enthusiastic about this transfer. I mean if fergie thinks he can improve our team then I'll support the decision however the pricetag and the number of wingers we have just makes me scratch my head a tad.

    For that price a Hazard/Gotze could potential be bought and IMO still doesnt address our CM issues.
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    Gaitán is a Silva, Mata type of player who could easily be used on the wing, on either side.
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    Very easy to choose one moment in one game and suggest that he does that all the time. Rooney's main talents (disregarding striker traits) lie in his long-range passing and his work-rate. His dribbling is very poor, his first touch can be hefty and it's not often you can see a magical pass from him to unlock a tough defence.

    Very often when United have struggled in tough games of late, the ball constantly finds itself into Rooney's feet, and he has nothing, the ball goes wide and the attack comes to nothing. Please don't mistake me for saying Rooney isn't a good player, but a creative attacking play-maker - he is not.
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    Crustanoid Full Member

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    Not getting excited till he's being photographed in a United shirt, shaking SAFs hand
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    Won't it be better if we spend more and get someone else who is better who can do the same thing Gaitan can do, which is play or either wing and centrally. I just hope we don't spend right now to sign him in the summer. We should wait for these 6 months to further see how well he does.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    When has great dribbling been a pre-requisit for a playmaker?

    Defence splitting passes though is, and Rooney does them as often as any playmaker around in the league.
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    Lol I'll have whatever you're smoking. Dribbling is one of the best ways to create space for yourself and then release a magical pass. You must be watching a different Rooney, as the best passes he makes are cross-field or distant diagonal. His short passing is also pretty sloppy. Watch the kind of passes Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva & Sneijder make and tell me Rooney can come up with the same, he can't.
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    why?

    thats his best position.....today was another example of him dropping deep, laying the ball off, passing intelligently - it makes him harder to pick up as well

    you need to play rooney where he can get involved as much as possible
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    Today is a lovely example, let's take today also to prove that De Gea is one of the worlds best goalkeepers, and also Pavylchenko is one of the top strikers around. I agree that Rooney needs to play where he can get involved - but he is not a creative player.

    He has good link-up play when he's having a good game - but he won't/can't make a killer pass that takes out a whole defence in the toughest matches which is what a proper attacking creative play-maker can/should do.
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    I completely agree
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    I think we have very different defintions of a playmaker.

    You are talking about about someone creating chances, I am talking about players that makes a team tick.
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    Ole's_toe_poke Ole_Aged_Slow_Poke

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    Look. I've not seen this lad play too much.

    But he has a foreign sounding name, plays in the same national team as Messi, will cost a shit load and plays the same role as Silva.

    Get him in.
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    Yes I guess so, I'm saying he isn't a 'creative attacking playmaker', I did say I think he would be an excellent deep-lying playmaker. Rooney makes the team tick for sure, but I would rather he was a CF type who dropped deep on occasion and was on the end of a flashy pass from a true 'creative attacking playmaker' who has a bit more to offer than Rooney.
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    Keep seeing this thread at the top of the page .... is there anything substantive to this apart from new year transfer puppetry?
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    but he's played that way effectively since forging a good partnership with hernandez last season

    this year he's done it with welbeck and hernandez

    rooney is an excellent number 9 as he showed the season before last

    he could play anywhere and do a good job

    he is a world class number 10 though and if he is leading the line you lose the range of passing he offers....

    at the same time we should play 4-3-3 in some games and i'd have rooney leading the line because of his strength, ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play
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    Rooney needs freedom to do what he wants, which is why Welbeck is good because he run beyond or come deep and link up.

    Rooney's best goalscoring runs generally come when he's leading the line, and his best football when he's dropping deep. Give him freedom to do both i.e. don't stick him up top by himself nor play him deeper behind two forwards.
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    Can he play both on the left and right wing as well?
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    This would be a weird purchase, I assume he would be a Giggs replacement rather than any kind of center mid option. With Giggs not having much time left and Park playing less and less we probably could use another left sided player. It makes the addition of Young kind of weird though. I'm not sure we could keep all of Nani, Young, Valencia, and Gaitan happy.
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    Well i bought him on FIFA 12 and he's mint.

    What more evidence do you need?
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    digitalnirvana Part of Team Smashed

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    Would he be able to be transformed from a striker to a deep lying CM as our earlier number 18 was done, that is the question I think. I agree that he is not a true CAM, but we do not use a CAM anyway in a 4-4-2 formation. Plus after Giggs retires, do not see anyone else of our current lot capable of attempting to be playing the Scholesque role.
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    If I m not wrong his user name is wr8_utd.de
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    Cock out? When is the deal annouced?

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