Nike - Colin Kaepernick Support

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    Green_Red Full Member

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    Not sure if there's a thread about this already. Interesting to see Nike get behind someone like this.

    What do our American friends think about this? Also, when does he stop taking a knee?
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    Ady87 Full Member

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    I don't know much about NFL but I thought he didn't have a team at the minute. So to answer your last question, he's already stopped I guess? Could be wrong though.

    It's a smart business move by Nike. Some of the outrage at the move on social media really pains me.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    He's been quite blatantly blackballed by the league and nobody will hire him. He has an ongoing law suit against the league for collision from the owners which has just had a dismissal attempt thrown out.

    The Nike advert is great and it's good to see them standing by his message, even though from a cynical perspective they'll most likely profit from the campaign.

    The actual protest has unfortunately been somewhat lost with the racist cnut in the Oval Office making it out to be something it's not and basically telling Kap and the other black players to know their place, which in reality only serves to reinforce the point that there's a big racial problem in America.

    Beto O'Rourke gave a great answer about kneeling at a recent voter question session:

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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Do people make the link Phil Knight-Nike-Seahawks in the US?
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    vangagal Full Member

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    Its a great advert and nice quote btw.
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    God knows how this generation would have reacted to Ali.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    The honest truth is that Americans have a problem with black athletes speaking about social justice.
    They are supposed to run around and keep quiet like good black athletes. Just look at Ingraham and LeBron. The moment he spoke, his intelligence was questioned.
    There's no way Kaepernick could have protested that won't have been met by serious resistance.
    I find it extremely annoying how the right now claim to have been always behind people like Mandela, MLK or Ali. Just look at May the other week. If you have a problem with Kaepernick's protest, you are a cnut in my book.
    From Nike's pov, it makes sense. The people that drive Nike's sales would overwhelmingly be likely to have sympathy for Colin. So short term loss for long term gain.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    First off, the POTUS would have labelled him a SOB.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    He'd have been over Ali like a rash, simply because of Ali's fame & profile.
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    Pretty sure I saw that Nike's sales were up 30% this week. Turns out that basement dwelling twitter trolls weren't spending that much money on Nike goods anyway.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    How good was he as a player because its a fecking disgrace if he isn't getting any team due to his very valid protest.

    What I basically want to ask that is there any sporting reason why he's a free agent?
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Also the ad is brilliant.
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    No. He is miles and miles better than some of the current QBs employed in the league. He'd start for a few teams and would be a backup at almost all teams.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    No there is no sporting reasons, he is above average. Though initially the circus around it was a good reason to let things cool down but between Trump constant fire stoking and Kaepernik suing the league, things reached a point where it would be a terrible idea for anyone to hire him.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Wow. It's incredible that even in America, some teams are such pussies that they can't hire Kaepernick just because he was the first one to start a protest which has since been replicated by many. Modern witch hunt.
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    The owners are mostly old white men though and some are very chummy with the Orange one.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    I applaud Nike for daring this. But then again, it's Nike. They are an exceptional marketing machine.
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    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

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    I’d say a fair number of the folks who have an issue with Kap would remember when Ali fought Frazier.
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    Sigma Full Member Scouse Lover

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    I never understand this. If you don't want politics involved, don't have the national anthem in literally every single game.
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    Kap is like Romero. If you whittled down the amount of clubs in soccer to just the teams who are in the CL, he’d probably start for 30% of them, but be a backup for 98% of them.
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    Carolina Red Moderator Staff

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    I can guarantee the gist of it revolved around how the black guy is rich, therefore not oppressed.

    (And to such claims I call attention to the net worth of the signers of the Declaration of Independence)
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    All Kap has to do to win his collusion case is to literally point out the fact that Nathan Peterman, the definition of a shit sandwich, was the starter against my Ravens this week.
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    Kneeling silently doesn't equate to being "shoved down people's throats". Blaring the national anthem every week loud enough to reverberate around in a stadium certainly is. And yet it's the right-leaning MAGA goobers calling the left "snowflakes"...

    Perhaps the sentence in the tweet should be corrected to: "Americans just want to enjoy a game of football without politics that they vehemently disagree with being on display in any shape or form"

    For a populous that loves to bang on about freedom, they sure do hate seeing people exercising their right to freedom.
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    Drifter American

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    This standing at the NFL was not a thing till 2009 ,before that they sat in the changing room.Maybe they should go back to that. Fox as hijacked this and used it to stir up Trump's nationalistic agenda..
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    I image they were rooting for Ail no ? But seriously wasn't Ail like a massive racist in that feud. To point where he brought in a toy gorilla into the ring during media practice session, portraying Frazier as a uncle tom to corporate white men(Frazier was born on very poor family farm literally have to works in the fields with mum as a kid) etc. The low point being Ail never apologised to Frazier.


    Sorry I don't want to derail the thread but talking about Ail and Frazier is far more interesting(If anyone actually has a problem with what Kap is doing then well they feck off.)
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    sun_tzu The Art of Bore

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    I dont know the ins and outs of it... but her is going to take the NFL to court - is that right?
    Would I be right in thinking that this means that trump would need to be careful about what he says?
    Will be interesting to see what trump does - I mean does he hate the NFL (who wouldnt let him buy a team) or Kaepernick more
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    I get what he is kneeling for, but what has to happen for him to stand to the national anthem? What ends the protest? I mean does he not consider himself American or whats the deal? Is it even a "I'm not going to stand for the national anthem until..." or is it "I'm not going to stand for an anthem of a country that does nothing to protect African Americans"?

    I'm probably over simplifying my question but its like marching for same sex marriage, when its enacted as a law, you don't have to march any more, right? How do you get Kaepernik up off his knee?
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    More this.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    No.

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    Him doing so raises awareness to the issue, similarly to LGBTQ. Yes they have equal marriage but there is still homophobia, transphobia, gay kids killing themselves at an alarming rate, transpeople being killed at an alarming rate etc. So yes, they still need to march.

    For Colin, no I don't see a scenario where he will ever stand up in support of the national anthem, because in doing so will mean that there is a situation where black Americans aren't being unfairly treated by the cops, the judicial system, as well as things like education, housing & representation in media etc and are treated & seen as equals.
    Also, him not kneeling doesn't mean that he doesn't consider himself American - that's a very disingenuous implication - it means that as an American he has a right to free speech as he sees fit, and is exercising that right.
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    Ali was a loudmouth and an asshole in every kind of way towards Frazier, all this after Frazier stood by him during his suspension both morally and financially and wrote to Nixon to reinstate Ali's boxing license.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Ali apologised to Frazier many times in the years afterwards but, unsurprisingly, Joe struggled to accept.
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    Thanks, insightful.
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    Ah I didn't know about the financial support or the letter to Nixon. Still one of the greatest tragedies in sport is that there's a boxing statue in Frazier home city and that boxer is......... yep the fictional character Rocky Balboa and not Frazier.

    From the documentary I watched Frazier was angry that Ail after the fight(I think it was the manilla fight) apologised to his son rather than to him. And he never seemed to forgive Ail, to point where Frazier voice mail was him giving himself credit for Ali's later heath problems. Which is of course awful but somewhat understandable.
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    I bet she is wetter than an otter's pocket when those military jets do their flyover. Sport always has been and always will be political.
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    Why is the american anthem played before any sporting event anyway ?
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    There's a statue of Frazier in South Philly I think.