Northern Ireland Terrorism Thread

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Gaz., Apr 2, 2011.

  1. Jun 23, 2011

    golden_blunder mijn naam is Golden Blunder en ik hou van team LVG

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    This is nothing but a bunch of young lads being stirred up by a handful of people. The young uns have nothing better to do and some will use any excuse for a ruckus
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    Red Hand Devil Plan M ish

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    Didnt hear about this. Fair play to him alright - thats proper leadership right there!
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    Red Hand Devil Plan M ish

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    Yep!

    As i said before, those twats missed out on the Troubles so they think they're contributing to the past by wreckin the place now. I'd love the Cops to adapt a paramilitary style (different to the B-Specials ;))- a special unit like "Inglorious Basterds" & go around head-capping the ring-leaders of the riots, all dissident republicans & knee-cap the cnuts wreckin the place... they could make it pay-per-view aswell!
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    I would pay for that!
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    Gaz. Well-Liked Assman

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    Would this have happened to the extent that it did if abortion was legal in NI? :wenger:
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    Red Hand Devil Plan M ish

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    Whats your views on Abortion - after birth, say between the ages 10-23?

    I'm all for it!
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    Scrumpet There are no words

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    BBC News - Colin Duffy not guilty of Massereene soldiers' killings
    Not exactly what people were expecting/hoping for.
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    Irwinwastheking Gimpier than Alex and Feeky

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    hard to believe he got away with it when his DNA was found on not only the 'inside' of the glove, but also in the car. It seems pretty incredible TBH that this judgement was made. Maybe some more legally minded posters could enlighten me but surely that was pretty irrefutable and damning evidence that he was involved in the plot.
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    Scrumpet There are no words

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    Irwinwastheking Gimpier than Alex and Feeky

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    What was the evidence against him that was more damning than the dna?
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    Scrumpet There are no words

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    At a guess, I'd imagine there was something to tie him to the gun rather than just evidence that suggests he was in the car at one point.
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    Gaz. Well-Liked Assman

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    Thats 3 murders he's been charged for and got off with!

    Something's not right

    Not happy with this ruling, currently 20 PSNI Landrovers sitting outside Antrim Courthouse too
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    Scrumpet There are no words

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    This has been added to the bbc report:

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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Someone said that half of Caf members were thick.
    I've always had the impression, maybe wrongly, that the Catholics were mainly involved in a political struggle, and the Protestants in a religious one.
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    damn. I thought all this was all done and dusted.
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    I'm reading Patriot Games right now so all of this is rather apropos.
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    That would be correct.
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    Don't agree at all. It's as much as both on either side. The Catholic side of the struggle (not all though, from personal experience) is political in that they want a United Ireland. Or government separate from the Union. The Protestant side of the struggle is that they don't want either, and want the Union to remain.
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    Care to elaborate this sweeping statement?
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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Isn't one of the Protestants main reasons for wanting the Union to remain, the fact that they don't want to be 'ruled by Rome'.
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    I'm a Protestant, I want to remain part of the Union. I don't give a shite about what goes on in Rome. I'm a Unionist, but I'm not a religious bigot.
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    The way you put it simplifies it as the Catholic side of the "struggle" being a romantic one of politicism and freedom, with the Protestant side being pure religious bigotry and unacceptance. That's not the case at all.
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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Someone said that half of Caf members were thick.
    There are plenty who were.
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    There are plenty on both sides who are. Doesn't mean everyone on both sides are. You're getting close to the realms of generalising to the extent of damning everyone of a particular religion here.
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    There was nothing romantic about anything that happened here. People suffered for decades and achieved very little, on any side.

    Republicans were capable of being sectarian (Kingsmill for example) but religion was never the defining feature like it was for the armed loyalist groups. Gusty Spences motto for the UVF was; "If you can't get a gunman get a taig". If the provos went out and shot a british soldier the loyalists would respond by dragging a catholic civilian into a romper room and torturing him to death.

    Religion was the motivating factor for loyalist groups, their actions show that.
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    Did the provo's only kill armed forces then? No everyday, normal Protestant civilians were killed for simply being Protestant?
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    The way the statement I was responding to was put was that Catholics in Northern Ireland were politically motivated, Protestants were religiously motivated. The UVF, UDA, whichever terrorist group you want to name, do not represent me. I'm a Protestant and a Unionist, I am not a bigot. Nothing is religiously motivated for me. Sweeping statements like this are dangerous.
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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Someone said that half of Caf members were thick.
    I never said they were.

    Neither have I made sweeping generalisations. Just said what impression I've had.
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    Why single out one side to be religiously bigoted though, and another not?
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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Someone said that half of Caf members were thick.
    As explained above, I said it was the impression I'd always had, and I made a point of saying that it could have been the wrong one.

    Probably had that impression because of the fact that for a long time, Catholics were treated as second class citizens in Northern Ireland.
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    Fair enough, my apologies. Mind if I say your impression is wrong, as far as the common, decent, everyday man is concerned?
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    I'm pretty sure the statement was referring to the more militant sections of each community, not the average man on the ground.
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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Absolutely.

    I've no doubts at all that the majority of people in NI were - are - peace-loving, decent people.
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    Yeah, my mistake. I apologised previously. It was more your impression and then someone else stating it was correct that got me. We're not all the same, I have alot of very good friends who are Catholic/Nationalists, I don't hate them because of their religion. I disagree with their political beliefs, but their religion is never an issue for me, neither is mine for them.
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    Aye fair enough. I don't get the point in the differentiation though, murder for political gain is no better than murder due to religious beliefs. Neither side were particularly discriminate as to who they killed.
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    No let's continue with sweeping generalisations and project them onto normal people who don't give a shit what religion anyone is.
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    The bolded part wasn't a sweeping generalisation. It was a simple fact of how things were for a huge amount of people in NI.

    Anyway, lets not try to turn this thread into a them vs us thread. I'm pretty sure no-one here is like that. We all hold our our beliefs dear, and heve to make an effort to respect each others rights and beliefs. Remember cacs on page one of this thread. We all came together in condemning this and I'm pretty sue we are all happy that this guy if guilty (I know nothing of the case hence the 'if') was convicted. Try to keep the debate about the past difference to another thread if possible. Maybe we should re-open the Carling nations cup thread.
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    I get that people suffered prejudice, but everyone on all sides of our country suffered. I've no desire for any "them v us" feelings, but generalisations get made that paints sections of the community as being a particular way inclined, that just isn't always true. There are wrongs and wrong doers on both sides of the divide in this country, and we as everyday, law-abiding citizens have always been the ones caught in the middle.

    I didnt notice cacs story before I posted here, heartbreaking for the fella and I sympathise with him for his loss. It's truly sad the hurt that has been caused to this country by evil men, irrespective of their agenda, intent on savagery.

    One thing we need to always remember is that as much as there is bad on both sides, there are good on both sides too. We all have our lives to lead, and we'd all rather live it in peace. Let's not demonise people on what was classed once as "the opposite side of the divide" for acts carried out by people who do not represent their wishes.
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    Irwinwastheking Gimpier than Alex and Feeky

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    Here here!

    Possibly we could start an Irish history thread at some stage, and really debate the finer points of the history of or Island, but I fear that the thread would be ruined by wummers and too many of us are to quick to bite. I know that Livvie was not wumming there, but look how easy it is to wind someone up about this subject. Maybe this is something we should consign to history and keep this space for speaking about strictly current events.
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    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn

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    Good idea but I fear an Irish history thread would be just the same as this one. It's obviously too raw to be discussed without upsetting someone. I'm sorry if I did that. It wasn't my intention.

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