Notoriously hard jobs in football

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    marjen Desperately wants to be like Noodle

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    With the Liverpool job up for grabs, and Villa looking for a new manager as well, I'm sat thinking about manager jobs in football who are notoriously hard.

    The Liverpool-job is up there, what with their inferiority complex, and the extremely high expectations of the fans considering what the club is up against. I think Liverpool should be a top 6 club with the resources that they've got, but not much better. The fans expect CL football every year, a trophy, and ideally a sustainable title challenge. That's just not very realistic in the current climate.

    And I do feel Rafa Benitez did a better job than many, me included, was giving him credit for. His slightly insanse outbursts darkened his reign, but he did a fine job.

    At Villa, the fans are relatively demanding, but know they can't compete for top glory. Still, it's a tough task, with Lerner tightening the purse strings and fans expecting European football.

    So, which jobs are the notroiously hardest ones in football? Liverpool? Real Madrid?

    And, not least, why?
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    Maciek Arrogant prick who is best ignored

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    I think only Benitez can avoid a 'Clough at Leeds after Revie left'.

    Any other manager will experience something like Clough did. Revie had won some trophies though, Dalglish was an embarrassment.
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    Depends what way you look at it I suppose. You could say there are jobs where it's hard to keep your job and there are ones which are hard to win trophies or success without being sacked.

    Clubs like Sunderland would be pretty hard, I think the only reason Pulis has kept a job at Stoke for so long is exactly that, because he has been there for a while. Being at a club that expects to chase EL each season or be there about because that group is always changing about. The positions from 8-15th are really the same teams but in different orders.

    Then you'd have a club like Wigan who won't win anything soon and don't seem to improve or disprove, they just go around on a never ending cycle of being around the relegation zone and then surviving. That would be hard knowing that you'll probably not achieve anything but it looks good on the cv I suppose.

    At big clubs which are used to success, I think it would only be very hard if you had never tasted success yourself. You've seen with Mourinho that he seems to thrive under the pressure of having to gain success at each big club he goes to and he's managed it because he's had that success before.
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    England job; Hopes and dreams of a whole disallusioned nation, and a load of players who think they are better than they are.

    Capello felt quite confident when heading in, i dont think he could wait too get out eventually.

    The press just make things so so much harder for the managers here.
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    I think you totally misjudge Villa fans, do you know any? I know a fair few and they just want to watch good football and compete to get in the UEFA cup, hardly a really difficult job.

    England must be one of the hardest.
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    You can throw the Newcastle Manage in there. Thats a very hard job and i've been really impressed that Pardew has been able to turn that club around in the way he has considering the backlash he had when he was appointed.

    Villas a terrible job, i'm from Birmingham and the Villa fans (much like the Geordies) think they should be in Europe every season! The difference is though that Villa have no money and the way MON walked out implies that Lerner doesn't enjoy handing out money.

    Chelseas a pretty difficult club too. You can win titles and still be sacked :lol:
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    Yeah the deluded expectation at Newcastle and Spurs must be hard to cope with the resources at their disposal. Pardew had an excellent season.
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    Without a doubt our next manager will have far and away the hardest job in football anywhere in the world.
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    Real Madrid manager. Nowdays only trophy that can help you stay there is the CL. Plus their fans are spoilt twats.
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    Us and Spurs.

    Both clubs with big fanbases, a lot of pressure and expectation but a history of underachievement and not the resources to match that expectation.
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    That was my perception of Villa fans too. I am not in the least bit surprised they didn't want McLeish, he plays horrible football and this season's outcome is of no surprise whatsoever.

    The hardest jobs to keep are the one's where the ambition and expectation surpass the reality and realism. That's in terms of keeping the fanbase, the owners happy. Liverpool, Newcastle, Chelsea (owner, at least) and England all fall under this.

    We won't know how difficult a job Wenger has until he leaves, but I suspect it's not an easy task he has. They could easily have dropped down the table like Liverpool, but haven't.

    Real Madrid have ridiculously high expectations, though the money, facilities and everything else on offer give you more than a fighting chance.
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    Although the expectation thing is overplayed. Most up here don't really demand much more than a side with the right attitude, going for it every game the right way and having a tilt at the top half of the table. Being a one-club city with a big fanbase brings pressure but the demands for success really aren't that high.

    That's why Pardew has done so well. He's said the right things and attacked it to the best of his abilities and in the right way, all that can be asked. Unlike the likes of Allardyce who from the moment they stepped into the club screamed small-time. Will never forget him playing for a draw against Derby 07-08 - and losing.
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    I shudder to think of of our fate once Fergie leaves. Fergie is so big here, I feel the owners are scared of him, and give him a lot of ear. Mutually, he too, tolerates them despite their tight fisted policy, which is conveyed through his pal Gill.

    But after he leaves..............
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    Chris Hughton's sacking looked well off, to me. In hindsight, perhaps the right move because of the way things have gone since, but arguably a lot of the foundation was Hughton's squad and he should've been given a chance to prove he could do well having brought the club back up so convincingly.

    That might be the owners and not the fans, but I think there's been cases in the past where we've seen the fans have unreasonable expectations. If history is a marker, a trophy for Newcastle is unreasonable, but I don't think the fans in the last 10 years would tell you that.
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    I definitely think that at the moment, the Liverpool one is really up there. The new man will have such a difficult task. He'll be expected to be having a go for top 4, when the best they can probably hope for is 6th or 7th.

    When Fergie retires, I think the job here will become one of the hardest in football. His successors will be expected to win title after title, while doing it the 'Manchester United way'. If they have one bad season and come 4th, for example, everyone will probably want them out. We can see how hard it was for people who had to follow up Busby. I think it'll be similar when Fergie leaves.
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    Hughton sacking was met with complete distain at the time because he was well liked and doing a good job. You'll find most fans will say half the job Pardew has done was down to the good work done before him, in fact even Pardew paid testiment to him in his LMA speech.

    A trophy shouldn't be unreasonable expectation though, really. Clubs with smaller budgets, less time spent in top flight, poorer sides, smaller fanbases etc have won tropies in the time that we haven't. To go 40 odd years without so much as even a League Cup win is definite underachievement. Despite the abysmal run we're still the 8th most successful club in English football.
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    I'd suggest the Aberdeen job as a tricky one given the inflated expecations post-Ferguson. Even those managers who did very well - Alex Smith taking them to top of the table on the final day of the season in 1991, or Jimmy Calderwood coming 3rd and beating Copenhagen 4-0 in Europe - couldn't survive.
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    Coach of Red Star Belgrade is a hard one, if the fans don't like you, you don't last long.

    That could be the same for any club with notorious ultras aka Lazio/Roma.

    I'd say the guy who said Brazil NT coach is correct though.
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    I think he's been very brave and very impressive, I didn't know he had it in him to be fair, given his efforts at West Ham.
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    Has to be the England manager, the press seem determined to undermine them all from day 1.
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    Abramovitch + the two headed ego monster of Terry and the Phat One = nightmare.

    The place has become a graveyard for managers.
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    Being a manager in Italy.

    Real Madrid. If you don't win you're pretty much fecked. Even if you do win you might be fecked as well.
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    I'd say England and Real Madrid.
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    England. Impossible job
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    Very true. I attended Real Madrid - Ajax in september and Real were dominating and leading 3-0 comfortably. However 75 minutes into the game, some fans started booing and whistling a bit because they were just dominating, but not creating anymore. A local fan explained me that's how fans in Madrid are like, and they expect Real to create chances all the time. :houllier:
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    Inter Milan? A lot of pressure because it's a massive club but it's two biggest rivals are even bigger. Underachieved massively on the biggest European stage until 2010 and they go through managers pretty rapidly.
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    Yeah, thought the same. Thought he was a patsy and a fraud, but he's walked into a very hostile situation and taken to the job far better than bigger names have done in the past.

    Still time for him to start buying sports cars and shagging around again mind, but at the moment it appears to be one of those bizarre situations where things just click.
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    Chelsea is the worst. How many managers have they gone through in a few seasons now, 4? Di Matteo said he doesn't expect to be kept on even if they win the CL. Horrible job.

    Real Madrid, get a new manager every couple of years.

    I think they are the most high profile ones i can think of, but at least at Madrid and
    Chelsea there are some transfer funds for new players. Managers down near the bottom of the league face a more impossible task as they have no money and have to keep the team above relegation and appease the fans.

    England is obviously a grim job too. The media never liked Roy much in his Liverpool days (compared to the good press Kenny got, despite being a massive bellend) and I can't see them warming to him when England get dumped out of the Euros.
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    I would think Barca and Madrid's jobs are pretty difficult. You just have to look at the reasons for Pep Guardiola leaving to understand how tough and how much pressure there is. Also, just look at how Mourinho seemed to have aged by 10 years despite only recently taking over at Madrid. I reckon alot of shit goes on in the backgrounds in those two clubs that puts lots of pressure on their managers.
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    thought the same - he'd find OT a breeze after that :smirk:

    England job - Liverpool will become a no go area for any decent boss if they don't get it right soon. Look at the big names who turned United down before Atkinson and then we got lucky with Fergie. I suppose the consolation for a hiding to nothing like England etc etc is $$$$$$$$$$$$$
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    As a lifetime Dons fan, I can testify to this one. Too many people living in the past and do not accept the limitations Aberdeen now work under. We have scked some fantastic managers for no bloody reason at all!!
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    Can't understate the conflict, strain & pressure associated with the Catalan component - it's a source of tremendous pride & responsibility...You see the Basques at Athletic and it's similar...Makes things like the Clasicos more like minor world wars than football matches...There isn't anything similar in the other major European leagues, IMHO...4 years at the club when you're Catalan yourself and a former star player?...Is there anything comparable in world football on this scale?...Doubtful

    I'm also quite certain Pep will return to the club in the future but probably most likely as President...If the team gets their 14th trophy in 4 seasons, it's improbable to improve upon that legacy

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