Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Permanent manager

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    purgethefallen New Member

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    Bollocks.

    Ole won in Norway, in a previously one-team league.

    Our fanbase isn't sentimental and complacent, it's just that some are such spoilt brats that have no patience and want everything yesterday. The sooner these "fans" realise that Man United are not entitled to win every trophy, the better.
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    dove Full Member

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    A real shame indeed.
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    purgethefallen New Member

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    Will you two stop talking reasonably. Don't you know this thread is for the doom-mongers and wanting Ole gone?
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    UnofficialDevil Anti Scottish

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    Not anti Scotish, just posted a lot against Moyes.
    You say that like its supposed to mean something. It doesnt.
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    hocane New Member

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    Can we at least give him a chance at least until Christmas before we bring out the pitch forks?
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    :nono: . It's seems as if Rosenborg just had a few down years. 2-3 other teams not managed by Ole, not called Molde also won the Norwegian league during that period.

    Molde also won the league without Ole in 2014.


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    Molde are joint top of the league now (just about) with single-team-league team Rosenborg closer to relegation than the top.

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    In fact if we take a closer look at Molde's league positions we note that the 2014 win achieved far more points.

    Ole lost 6 games out of 30 both times he won the league. Skullerund (Ole's replacement) outperformed Ole and only lost 3 games when he won the league with Molde in 2014 with a league points record.

    Looking at the final league tables in 2011 and 2012 Rosenborg underperformed although they did so to a lesser degree in 2012.

    I should also add that it is easier for a 2nd team to win a "one team league" when the main team has an off-year because there is less competition from other teams. It's harder in an "n-team" league like the EPL for an over-performing underdog as normally there is another member of the to 6 ready to step up..

    So no, Ole achievement isn't as special as you and many on here are making it out to be. It was surpassed by a rookie manager just a scant 2 years later.
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    That's the joke.
    Jesus Christ :lol:

    Ole is our manager, deal with it.
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    UnofficialDevil Anti Scottish

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    Excelent post, was getting tired of reading about how amazing it was that he managed to win the incredible Norwegian league.. This should clear things up.
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    elnorte Freaky fly day

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    His post has genuine substance based on facts while your response is entirely insipid.

    He makes a perfectly valid counter argument to certain claims about Solskjaer's record at Molde while all you can come up with is some inane use of an emoticon.
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    Rafaeldagold Full Member

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    That’s pretty much the Ole in argument ..!
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    Yakuza_devils Full Member

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    Excellent post with facts, can't put it any better.
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    SirAF Ageist

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    Good and accurate post.
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    That's the joke.
    I don’t really care about Solskjær’s record in all honesty. He’s here, and I’ll judge him based on what he does here, I suggest you do the same.

    No manager is guaranteed success, and no manager is guaranteed to fail.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    Continuing success is easier than building it. The question is where were Molde before Ole took over. Then winning a title after he was gone and he left them a championship winning side isn't saying much.

    I'm not even an Ole in guy. I'm someone who believes we should demote him to assistant coach and hire Erik Ten Hag.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    We get the standards from the club and you are not 70 typing on a football forum.
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    JustAGuest New Member

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    He took over a team that had finished 11th in their previous season, and won them their first ever league title. In his second season at the club he did it again. That post doesn't make it less of an achievement. Saying he was surpassed by his replacement is incredibly ignorant.

    It is true that the Norwegian league is not a one team league. Rosenborg just happen to be by far the strongest team historically, and you would expect them to be the favourites ahead of any season.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    I think a lot of people are doing just that - did you miss our worst run of form for 60 years?
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    fallengt Full Member

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    I have no idea who are you targeting with this post but spending over 700m on players in 6 years and yet we're still talking about this "rebuild". It's not "standard" in any world.
    Fanbase is just a reflection of the club's current state
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    Barnslig Full Member

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    I don't disagree with anything in your post, and I haven't checked the dates, but doesnt the asterisk behind Tor Andre Skullerud's name mean that he took over from Ole mid-season? Remember the Norwegian season starts and ends at a different time than the PL and the other major leagues.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    Winning a league is always a good achievement.

    Pretending it's not and then clapping each other on the backs for it is pathetic new low for a thread that already has no shortage of them.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    What's that supposed to mean?
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    Tom Van Persie No relation

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    You're right it's pathetic to try and down play his achievements. Ole done some amazing work at Molde and won their first league title in club history. He laid the foundation there.
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    Ok my child.
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    Nope. I remember it clearly. I for one hope we improve next season, I’m guessing you would rather we didn’t.
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    Denial is a terrible thing. It's Wikipedia so you can edit the facts away if that will make you feel better :D .
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    Celoti23-81 New Member

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    Unless Ole signs a first choice right back and right winger this summer, we will be in the same boat as the last 6 years. No balance, and everything focused down the left.
    It's like having a fighter jet with one wing with a rookie in charge of navigating us to where we want to be.
    He needs a Bale type player for the right wing. Hell, Pep even signed Jesus Navas to add width in his first year!
    That right hand side and wings are an essential part of a functioning side, like it was the utd way under SAF!

    Trivia: Who was the last real right back and right winger we signed? That was a regular right sided player. Not necessarily a right footer!
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    SteveW Full Member

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    What am I in denial about? I said winning a league is a good achievement.

    Take a look at yourself
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    Kill 'em all Pastor of Muppets

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    The pitchforks are already being sharpened.
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    Yup.

    Emotion. Absoluteness. Indoctrination. Rejection of fair criticism. Sithian.
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    SteveW Full Member

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    I get it. You're a wum. Not wasting any more time on you
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    While you continue with your passive aggressive analogue to fighting in the stands, I'll just will leave you with the facts and saunter off to go get a burger.

    Verbal hooliganism is a plague. You should learn to post without the, no doubt in your view, self-affirming personal invective.

    Toodles.

    And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing just in case.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Yep, I want the club that I've supported for 35 years to get even worse :rolleyes:

    Seriously, if you equate criticism on a football discussion forum to wanting the team to fail that says more about you than anyone else.
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    Rosenborg underperformed relative to their usual standards apart from the league win in 2014.
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    soaphroniscuss New Member

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    Skullerud actually managed to do the double. :wenger:

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norwegian_football_league_champions#List

    I think these are the dates for the season.

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    Ole joined Cardiff on the 2nd Jan 2014 according to this and wikipedia.

    https://web.archive.org/web/2014010...eplaces-malky-mackay-as-cardiff-city-manager/
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    That's the joke.
    Then maybe try a little optimism for next season then, you never know, you might like it ;)
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    Don’t bother go P.C with me. You know exactly what I mean.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Sorry, I thought this was somewhere to come and debate differing viewpoints?
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    Pace Abuser Full Member

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    Love posts like this. I wonder how long it's going to take top reds like you to realise Glazer's are parasites, Woodward is clueless, and Ole is just another turnip?
    We are in for another season of nothing. I really hope it shakes the apathy of our fan base to protest and not blindly believe in the crap Manchester United has become.

    What's it going to take for fan's to wake up? Can you not hear the laughter from our rivals?
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    Lexxxzi New Member

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    F*cking morons in here, seriously... Take into account his record in the european cups with Molde as well, or perhaps it's convenient to ignore that alltogether? Molde won their group against Fenerbahce, Ajax and Celtic.
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    PureCantona7 New Member

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    I don't understand the point of all this moaning? Why not give him this transfer window and a couple months worth of games then complain?