Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Samid, Mar 28, 2019.
I’ve no idea because there’s no evidence of it in top flight football.
Have you seen Solskjær's team? No, you have seen LvG and Mourinho's team managed by Solskjær.
I have seen Solskjær's team in another country, and they played alright football, i haven't studied them, so can't give anything in depth, but we should atleast let him make his own team before judging.
Very encouraging, should have offered 6 year contract instead.
Alright is still very good considering our recent standards
I could have used other words, of course, but as i am not a fan of Molde, i didn't follow them very closely, but they scored a good amount of goals.
That said, i have seen you around, and can't remember a single positive post from you, so probably not even worth spending time discussing it with you
There are no positives, I am not gonna pretend there are any
I’m still more positive with Solskjaer in charge than another superstar manager rolling in spunking a load of money on over the hill wankers and wasters than bringing another prick in place.
So you’re telling me that in the games OGS you didn’t see nothing whatsoever in how he wants to play?
It’s pretty clear he wants full backs high, wants the team to press from the front and counter with quick counter attacks, he likes the strikers to be able to go wide with his wingers or depending if has a 10 to rotate as well by dropping deeper if needed so the 10 can as act a second striker.
Many of these things can’t simply be coached well enough in 6 months in the business end of the season with top 4 at stake with unfit players and players coming back from injury.
I can’t stand fans like you who pretend they saw nothing during OGS winning and act like he tells them to just jog around.
Whether OGS becomes a success or not he’s our manager and you have to give him a chance to implement what he wants. The guy isn’t going to come out and give you his game plan or tactics book so stop acting like he can give you answers to questions because the season hasn’t started yet, when it does then you’ll see the pattern of play you so crave
I thought solskjaer intentions were pretty clear in the spells we played well but other things were also clear
A) our players were not fit enough to implement things and correcting this kid season is very difficult at this level
B) many of our players simply aren't good enough. Certainly not good enough to start. He absolutely at least needs a right back, commanding centre half that can play too, and something extra in the middle.
C) our players seemed out of sorts mentally for much of the season. Perhaps it's a culture issue, dressing room issue.. Whatever. He needs time to fix it
Only the preseason preparation and the first few games of this upcoming season will tell us if the same principles OGS applied at his arrival during the very easy run of fixtures was a sneak peek into the kinda football he wants us to play on a regular basis or if it mostly about the players being that Mourinho wasn't there. How we ended playing in comparison to how we started is too much of a difference for me to not be very concerned to say the least. Time will tell.
What? Why should ManUtd appoint manager based on whether fans have idea about manager's style of play? These are the same fans who calls everyone a fraud for not winning trophies with Spurs, Napoli.
Also Pep didn't quickly sign fullbacks, he waited 1 full season to sign a FB.
Also ofcourse Liverpool, City and even Spurs are ahead as they had manager for few years and they have built the team. They are concerned about filling one or two gaps, on the other hand we have so much work to do obviously it will take time. To make it worse we are not even sure whether our best players will stay or leave.
Regarding pattern of play, did you see any change in the game once he took over till our players started to drop like flies? He also said we are lacking in fitness, so we couldn't continue that style as we had almost half of the team out injured. Simon Stone also mentioned Ole overworked the players and that showed by the end of the season. He has ideas, that we have to play with intensity, press high and he said it many times that fitness is key to play that style.
Whether he can implement his ideas is something no one knows.
Brutal opening fixtures. He needs to hit the ground running from the first day in pre season or we could be chasing top 4 shadows by the end of August like we did last season.
Pummelling Chelsea on the opening day is the best medicine we could have been given. Let's just hope our new signings gel together fast.
Smash everyone first 5 games and lay a marker down.
Spot on. We have tried the superstar manager thing and it hasn't worked so it would be mad to carry on down that road......'definition of madness being doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result to materialise' (Albert Einstein allegedly).
We are trying something new and we should align our expectations to the fact that it may not be instant success. Ole needs to be given the chance to try things and when they don't work be allowed to change things so he can hit the right formula instead of everyone calling for his head at the first bad result........'if you haven’t failed yet, you haven’t tried anything new yet' (Albert Einstein allegedly).
It should be obvious in our pre-season games too.
Hopefully it goes well.
Wow so we have fallen so far now we’ve given up on great proven managers- solution must be to hire complete novices then. Why not hire Dave from the dog & duck in that case.
And again we’re lowering our expectations ‘ align our expectations ‘ it’s ridiculous- we’re Manchester United not some backwater club - What’s happening to our fanbase- we’re just accepting mediocrity now & if we have that attitude as fans & as a club then success will be even further away
Ha ha I am sure Dave from the dog and duck would come cheap but I don't think he would have the same experience and background that Ole has!
As you say we are Manchester United not some backwater club and so our expectations as you say should not be mediocrity. However, I think fans need to ‘align their expectations’ to reality in that we can't expect to catch up with pool and city instantly. There seems to be a consensus on this forum that most of our players are simply not good enough! If this is the case then how can we expect a new manager whoever that may be, to come in and compete with the established top two on the back of one transfer window. When SAF came in he didn’t turn it around instantly it took a few seasons, in this day and age maybe he would not have been given that time but by the same token, I think that Ole should be allowed time to make the odd mistake, try a few things out. I keep reading on here that he will be gone by Christmas! Jeez if only a couple of the players are good enough now and we expect to make 3 or 4 signings in the transfer window how can we expect that all of the signings will automatically work out and as a result of that all of the other players who ‘are not good enough’ will suddenly have us at the top of the EPL!?!?!? It is just my opinion but I think that we should align our expectations to Ole improving the squad, implementing his methods/systems/philosophy, improvement and direction being visible and making sure we are in the top four (although not threatening to sack him every time there is a blip and we fall outside the top four).
I was around in the 70s and 80s and United were still the biggest club in UK then (despite pool successes) but the fans didn’t think we had a god given right to win everything all the time.....we should expect to be back at the top but not instantly is all I'm saying
I get what you’re saying & I don’t expect us to win everything straight away- just to see progress & an Identify of playing.
I haven’t seen any of that with Ole & we’ve just got worse- I think we can do much much better on the managerial front.
You are clearly a good and reasonable guy, and everything you say is perfectly fine, but I guess the question is 'why Ole'? Why has Ole been entrusted with this massive job? SAF was appointed after proving himself at Aberdeen - he broke the duopoly of the Old Firm at a time when the Scottish League was much stronger than it is now, and beat Real Madrid in a European Final. It made absolute sense to give him time to rebuild. the problem lots of us have with Ole is that he hasn't really shown anything to warrant keeping that faith. It feels as though he has got the job through being in the right place at the right time, and on the back of a run of great results - which given how we finished the season now looks more and more like it might have been (at least partially) down to a combo of luck, new manager honeymoon period, and fortuitous fixture order. It would have been a lot harder for Jesus's disciples to keep faith with him if instead of walking on the water he'd slipped below the surface and had to be dragged out by a passing fisherman!
My question to you is why can't you wait and see? Why is it so hard to support the team? A ball hasn't been kicked, he's made one signing. Not every managers story is the same, everyone's journey is different. Yes Ole is a risk which can go wrong and he could be the right guy to lead the club, we won't know until that happens. So why are so many fans on this forum so obsessed in making every fan unhappy with Ole? He's not getting sacked before the season. Give the guy a chance, he's one of us for Christ sake.
I have said before that we didn't have to make a decision to appoint Ole or not until the end of the season and so I would have waited to see how Ole handled a downturn in luck,confidence etc. until the end of the season and then choose to keep Ole or go for Poch. However, for whatever reasons we did appoint Ole at the time and so given that, I think we have made our bed and should stick with that and give a fiir chance. Who knows we may have approached the only alternative Poch at the time and been knocked back, I have no idea if this happened but if it had you can bet it would remain behind closed doors else it would have undermined the appointment of Ole.
We as a club should do better than ‘wait & see’ with a manager who has a relegation to his name.
And no matter who’s manager I’ll always support the team- I just don't think it’s the right choice that’s all.
A ball has been kicked in his time in charge so far & we’ve actually got worse rather than better which is really concerning- our performances should have been getting better the more time he had to implement his style. And I’ve seen no plan or style at all- Moyes Esque to be honest. I could see what LVG & Jose wanted to do- With Ole I’ve seen nothing of the sort
Why are we taking the risk with Ole when we could find a much better manager- I just don’t understand
Er, firstly, I've got no choice but to wait and see have I? Unless you mean you don;t want me to talk about how I feel about the situation on a fecking discussion forum...which would be weird.
And secondly, who said I'm not gonna support the team? I made it to Old Trafford 12 times last season and I imagine it will be a similar amount this season - during which the team (and manager) will have my full support. On here though I have a fecking moan if I feel like it - if that's OK with you?
And thirdly, why the heck are a side the size of United, and in such dire need of major direction and work, entrusting the job to someone who not only is a risk, but who actively has a mediocre managerial record to date after nearly a decade? I think that's a reasonable topic for debate...albeit I would agree that we've done said topic to death and could really do with some football to talk about instead...
You're mad to think Ole won't have an effect on who we can bring in. Mad I say.
Whatever the Jose apologists looked like, you have the same type of feel for Ole.
Both of you raise fair points, but these debates have been done to death. Ole fans are pinning their hopes on a stupendous pre-season where running and fitness will solve our problems. I hope for their sake it does.
For the more realists out there, we have to wait until the inevitable. Which given our start maybe as early as November and perhaps no later than December.
No one is telling you what you can and can't do but its tiring every day watching people sh*t on a guy who actively can't show you what his plans are for at least another 2 months before the season starts. There are so much things to talk about beyond sh*tting on OGS all day.
I don't care if you've been to Old Trafford 50 times and have a private box. There's one thing moaning when the season has started and we're playing badly but during the off season moaning is just so meh.
No one is saying OGS isn't a risky appointment and it could go wrong and it could go right who the feck knows but having the same debate for the 1000 time is just fecking weird, the whole footballing world knows its a risk but sometimes just sometimes a risk brings huge rewards.
At the moment I care much more about the players that come in and out this summer than him being in charge next season.
He may or may not be a disaster next season but if we don’t sort this squad out now then it really doesn’t matter who’s in charge.
Why are other managers able to stamp an identity on a team in a matter of weeks/months, yet with United it’s not “his team” until the manager has been able to replace most of the first XI. Klopp may have finished 8th in his first season with Liverpool, but you could see what he was trying to do almost from day one. None of this “it’s Brendan Rogers’ team” crap. Ole has had more than enough time to stamp his identity on this team and he hasn’t done it.
These fixtures will not help him at all! If he is in the bottom end of the table at the end of Christmas then he must go. Woodward not bringing in the first choice signings or not signing all the players before pre-season will hinder any real impact the team may do climbing the table at the start of the season.
Woodward would also need to leave post-Ole because it's just unfathomable that the fans will allow him another go at running this club.
The fans have no say in it. That is one of the many problems.
You could just, you know, not open the thread?
Or maybe just maybe I might want to read another discussion about OGS? Its not called the 'I don't think OGS should be manager thread is it?'
Well make your own points then and accept that others will have a different view.
It’s also not called the ‘Ole sycophants thread’
You’re allowed to think he’s a good choice of manager- others can think differently in this thread
Chelsea and Wolves away as the first 2 fixtures can set the start of the season to be as ugly as the last one.
Or can bring the positivity back.
I never trust pre season games, in too many of them we look much better than what we turned out to be
. You will never get answer on that question. It is that kind of question when in real life you get; " Hm, ehm, hm...oh, feck off". Translated to this topic; "support your team".
Our fans always invent BS excuses as to why someone is failing. Absolutely nothing changed since Ole took over, we play exactly the same negative football but apparently it's due to lack of fitness.
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