Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Samid, Mar 28, 2019.
Mourinho fans will make great comedians.
There's a fair few mad fellas posting on this forum these days isn't there? This one's giving the worst of them a run for their money at least.
The meltdown from some here is sad to see. We won and that is the important part. People keep moaning about performance, then ignore the fact that we performed well against Barca, and were the better side against Wolves and Arsenal. But because we lost, that is irrelevant. These things happen in football, and with our injuries, suspension and need to rotate players, performances were bound to go down. Especially as we have little quality in the squad as is. At this time of the season, grinding out results is the most important.
Just seems to be some butt hurt fanboys who either are still crying about Jose, or are desperate for Pochettino that are being the most vocal. He has done extremely well to get us where we are from where we were.
Wow! delusional much.
In case you haven't noticed, our older players are another year older and nearer retirement whilst the younger players haven't become any more consistent. Also the competing teams have got better whilst we've stood still/gone backwards.
The next season or two is going to require patience and realism from our fans, not the complete bollocks highlighted above. It's this complete lack of any sort of realistic target from fans that will lead to over-reactions from fans.
Others have taken you to task for your utter lunacy but it has to be said again.
What an insane few posts you've made in here.
Well, there is some difference between title contenders and title winners, the core of our weakness in this team lies in the midfield which is unable to shield the defence and control games with and without the ball with high energy so as to win maximum second balls to keep control and keep that control of the midfield, secondly the back line which needs serious improving. I think with some intelligence and screwed planning we should be able to cover those short commings in the team to better what we already have. If this team gets a strong defence and a commanding midfield i think our efficiency in forward areas will improve greatly as well and this should be enough to mount a strong title challenge and fill that gap between title winners and us to around 5-7 points.
Other weaknesses which might keep us behind the actual winners could be lack of creativity with other areas of the pitch except pogba, inconsistency and that lack of ruthless efficiency needed to win the title which makes a team greater than sum of it parts. While Creativity issues can be solved with screwed recruitment, the other two might hold us back becoming the champions still with proper recruitment this team should definitely be title challenger and amongst the mix.
Its on ole Woodward and the new sporting director to have a screwed transfer market to provide the platform for the manager to compete and pose threat in a title race which is the bare minimum expectations in a manager at this club with the pressure to win at least some cups.
So I would say expecting a title challenge is a realistic expectation rather than delusional.
What i would like and expect from Ole is to improve our players on a training ground. Those who cant be improve, replace them.
These demands for top 4 or title challenge dependable of amount spent in transfer window are just waste of time tbh. We done all of that in the past and here we are again, talking about another rebuild. Have a feeling we could spend 500 mil. still we wouldnt know how, imagine being bad at scatter gun approach.
Since SAF, no focus behind our spending, our play style, type of player we were bringing in, its like empty shell. There is no that feeling of progress, building up towards something and i fear that spending X amount of money wont fix it. It will look like a fix at the start but then slowly it will bring us where we now.
So maybe expectations should be aimed at performances on the pitch, i know there are many of us with win> regardless of performance but seems we cant get away with that approach for long, it always catches us up.
Very important summer coming up for us. We should get a glimpse of Ole's authority at the end of the transfer window. If he's bulldozing the fringe players, we will know we got the right guy.
Wrong appointment for a club of our size. Anyone thinking otherwise is delusional or just extremely optimistic.
Third strike for Ed.
Huge shoes to fill
Not from what I've seen.
Most of the negative(if you even call it that, I'd use the term cautious) ones with Ole are the ones who despised Jose the most.
He's not even had a Transfer window or a pre season for fecks sake.
Coming from you this is reassuring as feck.
There are too many fans who do not understand our club's history.
Its all about competing with an artificial club like City.
We went into pre-season after Ole took over from Mourinho.
In the summer Ole will bring players he thinks can gel into a good team.
Our Youth system is doing good.
We simply need to retain quality players like Herrera...if it is still possible and bring in players who will strengthen the team.
Lets not forget Ole changed the training regime. Why we had all those injuries.
Just buying big names is not the solution.
Should have played out the season without offering a contract.
From a transfer perspective so far I've found one to be a mixed bag. While the departures of Valencia fellani and potentially darmian and Rojo are very welcome, the new contract for Jones and young not so much .
Let's see how ruthless he is with the likes of Sanchez, come the summer.
Actually, the most negative ones are the posters who wanted Poch to replace Jose. In general, these are the same people who were among the first to call for LVG’s sacking, then Jose and now are hinting it for Ole by saying things like I really hope Ole does well but the past few months nothing has changed.
Unfortunately, our fanbase at least on here has adopted a quick fix and instant results mentality that is not reflective of United of the past, nor of the future if we want to be successful in the long run.
Good of the forum to judge Ole after 4 months and zero transfer windows. He's not brought in a single player, except some youth from our academy. Give him time.
Klopp had 2.5 years before last year when he did well. And this is his 4th year at the Collingwood and finally they're challenging for the title. God forbid we give Ole more than that in months before the doom-merchants emerge.
The negativity here from our "fans" is disturbing.
Let's just forget about the results for a second. The football we have been playing is refreshing and entertaining. Even in the games where we have low possession, we show a willingness to put men forward when we counter.
Ole wants to play a pressing game but the players don't have the fitness for it yet. Playing out the back is also another area that need work. With some smart additions and good preseason work, we can be a different outfit next season.
It's been a long time since I posted here, while I absolutely hated Mourinho's tenure with us, Solksjaer's appointment is even more sillier IMO. He was the perfect interim manager, but it looks like we are going to waste another year with another poor, hurried managerial appointment. Yes Solksjaer hasn't signed any players yet, but I don't think he is a coach, I kept on saying that we needed a coach when LvG was here and Mourinho was here and now again we have shot ourselves in the foot and appointed a manager instead of a coach.
I really have no idea why the feck Woodward couldn't wait until the end of the season to appoint Solksjaer, it's not like Real Madrid and Barcelona were waiting in the wings to sign him up.
The view that anything but a title challenge would be a huge downgrade from Mourinho, who failed to produce a single title challenge, is a bit out of place to be honest.
It was about rewarding him for his performance early and setting the direction for the club for the next 12 months.
Considering our options on the market I think it was the right choice. All top managers who are proven are in the job and we would likely have had to go for a second rate experienced manager either. We may as well give the opportunity to a former player who had a relatively successful management career in his domestic league and has done brilliant job here since coming in December. Sort of what Real did with Zidane and Barca did with Pep.
But Guardiola is a very good coach, Zidane had world class players at his disposal and extremely professional and motivated players like Ronaldo, Modric, Ramos etc.
Of course all top managers are in a job, if they aren't they wouldn't be top would they? Hiring a manager is as important as buying players, would you agree if we don't sign good players saying that they are all contracted somewhere else? Managers who were performing well in leagues like Serie A are struggling here in the PL, how would success in Norwegian league translate to here? Also we could have easily rewarded Solksjaer by offering him the job at the end of the season.
Absolutely. It would only be a downgrade had Mourinho actually managed to challenge for the title.
Truth is that despite finishing 2nd (and falling to pieces thereafter), Mourinho's United remain a disjointed and lopsided football team that requires fixing. When Mourinho came, given the relative strength of the opposition, I expected us to challenge soon, or at least be there or thereabouts. However during his tenure, despite a few achievements, our rivals have sped past us and created a big gap.
I still feel we have a related squad and if Ole gets everything right we could be a team that hovers 6/7 points away from the leaders next season. That was would be a very good accomplishment.
FFS all the folks slagging Ole off when hes had 4 months to try and play catchup without any of his players or time to train his ideas into the team. At least give him a transfer window and a pre season to get them closer to the team he wants.
It's fair to express disappointnent over recent peformances. But Ole deserves the summer to show us what his Manchester United team looks like.
Four months in which he’s got more points than anyone else while knocking PSG out of the cup.
Four months ago we expected to lose to fecking Huddersfield away.
For all we know Ole might turn out to be a great coach for us as well. Nobody knew Pep and Zidane were good before they got the job and proved themselves either.
Give him the time. He understands the club and seems to have some good ideas. It’s not like we had a choice of all top managers - we had it in 2013 when we went with Moyes but not now.
Then what exactly is the solution?
If we want PL proven then we have couple of managers (both won most PL titles than anyone bar SAF) who are jobless. Worth a try I guess.
We have gone thought the proven route and it didn't work out, for once we appointed a young manager who has lot to prove and his team produced numbers that's more than any other manager we had since SAF and his ppg is as good as any in the league.
Of course we could have offered him a contract at the end of the season, not sure how it makes any different. ManUtd were in shit position in december and are back in race for top 4. If club judge him as not good enough based on remaining games, then it's just a shit decision making process as it ignores all the work did in 4 months and ignores the position ManUtd and morale of players when he took over. All this work with the players whose fitness is questionable so he had to change his methods (thanks to shit loads of injuries) and 0 transfers, hired during busiest period of season and not enough time to work on fitness and tactics.
Exactly. People go on about how we are not so different from Jose's time (which is nonsense btw) but ignores how many injuries we had when Solskjaer tried to set up his team to play with intensity and full of running.
This team lacks fitness, at least I'm assuming Ole changed his methods to adapt to his team. Next season is the right time to judge him considering he will have summer window and also a preseason to work on weaknesses.
At least from December to April, no one could have done any better than what Ole did.
Waiting until the end of season would not have achieved anything. He has already got us into a CL quarterfinal and into a top 4 race which was beyond expectations in December when he was hired. Even if we do not finish in top 4, the fact that we are in this race is remarkable itself considering our league position after 17 games.
Hear hear. A truer summary of RedCafe today exists not
Yeah, it wouldn't have made any difference if he was hired now or end of season (not sure the point of waiting). We just can't ignore his performance in last 4 months where we won so many games including tough away games.
Jesus give the guy the summer and next season before smashing him into the ground. In fact the most important thing is pre-season and training the lads so they can play with pressing and high intensity all game.
Exactly. Who do we have that's definitely good enough to be starting for a title challenging team right now?
Rashford, at a push
The rest are either developing, squad level players or should be shown the door, and we have an awful lot of the latter. No manager is doing great things with this team.
Having said all that, Solskjaer has made some very questionable tactical decisions and substitutions in recent weeks. I'd feel a lot better if Phelan confirms and we appoint a director of football.
Not parking in the manager's space in the car park, because it "belongs to the boss" is very cringey and eyebrow raising
Looking forward to the summer
I'm not gonna say he is the wrong appointment, he has done plenty of positive things and I think he should have got the job regardless. I think it would have been best to wait till the summer as well but with Woodward you can never underestimate his stupidity.
Now, he's far from perfect and he must learn from his mistakes. Favoritism towards some members of the squad for a start has to end. Rashford and Lingard are blatant examples. Rashford is far from Ronaldo, and should be guided properly and not be immune to critics and benching. Lingard is just Lingard and should be pushed out of the door till next summer never mind starting games and treated like he is some integral member of the team. He has to be ruthless and that is yet to be seen. Selling Fellaini was a start.
Giving proper chances to young players like he already did must continue. And now is the best time in my opinion, instead of giving shit players that are half way out of the door.
No comparisons with Jose please. Moyes, LVG and Mourinho really hurt this club.
We have a lot to do, our squad needs much, much work... We as fans, will need patience, and to just be good footie fans.
Ole, in my opinion, is the perfect man in that seat right now, because he understands the expectations of the club. Ole, Phelan, Carrick, and Nicky Butt in right place to guide us through a challenging transitional period.
Ole and his coaching team have turned a season going nowhere, and a horrible atmosphere, into a season where we have much to look forward to.
A dicking at the Nou Camp and handing either City or Liverpool the league is not something I look forward to tbh.
Not his fault though
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