Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Permanent manager

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  1. Apr 19, 2019

    anant Full Member

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    Before people start criticizing OGS here, we really need to analyse the results in raw numbers and the performances by considering the fact that he came in December and he would need some time to get players playing his way

    PL:
    We're 3rd in the table since he came in. 2 points behind Pool (who've played a game more than us) and 1 behind City, arguably among top 3 sides in Europe right now in terms of talent and depth

    Now, the obvious question will get thrown, but we've been lucky in a lot of these games. But have we? We won a couple of games where we were lucky like the one vs Watford, WHU and Spurs, but then we lost vs Arsenal, Wolves and drew Burnley as well. Hell, if we compare our performances vs xG and xGA, we've scored roughly same number of goals as expected from the shots we've taken (actually we've scored slightly less (0.68 goals less)) and conceded around 4 goals less than we should have, which is explainable as we have Dave between the sticks.

    FA Cup:
    Sure, it offered us the best shot at silverware this season, but I'd say QF isn't a bad run considering it wasn't on top priority for us. Additionally, we beat Arsenal away and Chelsea at the Bridge after 8(?) years, results that we weren't expecting to be honest.

    CL:
    When the draw came out in December, Jose was our manager and PSG was given a walkover as per most experts. We were the the team everyone wanted to play against, some favoured us over the likes of Schalke, Roma, Porto and Ajax as well. What followed vs PSG is the stuff people will talk for years to come. No one can say we weren't deserving, PSG simply didn't have a lot of shots over the 2 legs- it wasn't that we progressed due to a Dave masterclass, but because of grit and determination- something we haven't seen very often from a Manchester United side in post-SAF era. Add to that we had a considerable number of injuries as well in the 2nd leg.

    Then we come to the game vs Barcelona. Sure we lost 4-0 on aggregate, but there were plenty of positives for us. Had we not made some individual blunders and been clinical, who knows, we might have been lining up vs Pool in the semis as well!

    Look, I'm not one of those who'll go on preaching to back the manager. Hell, I wanted Poch as our manager but one needs to acknowledge that we've come a long way since Jose's sacking and in the right direction. We have a positive game plan going into every game and while it will take time and players of different ilk to take it to perfection, it's a big step in helping us reach our goals.
  2. Apr 19, 2019

    Phil Osophy Full Member

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    I don't know if the worst, but the most dislikeable for sure. A total intruder who got the mask off after Sevilla. The only way we should mention Mourinho nowadays should be to mock him and laugh at how finished he is, any other thing is betraying the club.

    With Moyes I was frustrated but he was a poor man lost in the forest, no badness at all. I have good memories of CL games (well, except Olympiakos away), with us being virtually qualified against Bayern with 30 minutes to play. It was strange how the team performed in Europe and away from home in the league, but then we were totally useless at home against everyone. He was lucky to last that much.

    Under LVG we had shocking performances at home as well without any attacking intent, and Mourinho was shitting the pants as soon as we got 1-0 even against the dross. Even nowadays there's still a strange feeling at OT during games and the team don't look very comfortable there. Only 1 goal in CL at home this season is terrible stuff.

    If Ole wants to succeed he needs to make us strong and reliable at home, win the winnable with certain ease and not lose many games along the season. In the last weeks we could have lost both against Watford and West Ham without problems and the noise around him and the team would be unbearable. Now let's finish the season in one way or another, but next season we need to see improvements in many ways. And I'm sure we'll do.
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    Skills Snitch

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    The most damaging one for sure.
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    Hugh Jass Full Member

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    Would not say that Mourinho was the worst, but the most damaging, because his style went against the united culture and also Van Gaals methodology.

    If it was up to me in hindsight, we should not have went for mourinho even though we did win the Europa and League cup.
  5. Apr 19, 2019

    RedorDead21 Full Member

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    3 months in and already on a slippery slope needing to go public with his unhappiness at some of the players. That's a slippery slope towards Moudor....
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    MikeKing Full Member

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    Ole Solskjaer, Gunnar? OGS is the correct abbreviation to use for his name.

    Also the players do need a reality check. They are not performing as they did earlier when they got him the job, they are now performing like they did under Mourinho before he got fired. Ole doesn't want to be fired, he wants his players to perform so he can keep is job, that is why he is calling them out. He wants higher standards and to enforce higher expectations. He isn't 'managing down expectations'. Do you want him to come out and say we're replacing 11 players in the summer, just so you'll be able to criticise him for also shitting on the current players, who got him the job?
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    The_Bloods New Member

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    An average player with one league cup to his name (and a play-off place with QPR, who-hoo!). I think we can safely ignore his attention-seeking opinion.
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    I'd actually be more worried if he were endorsing Ole.
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    Very strange post. Not that I take Jenas seriously, but if you discount him based on that then you can discount every single person on this forum.

    He does speak a little bit of sense however, Ole was not a planned appointment and I doubt he was appointed with the thinking that he would win 9 games on the bounce. So one can say that his permanent appointment was also not planned, but forced from our extremely good form. Of course this doesn't mean he was the wrong choice, because an interim manager getting the results he does will almost always get the permanent job.
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    What Jenas is saying is partially correct, football has changed and is modernising by the years, Solskjaer is simply trying to replicate what Sir Alex did rather than revolutionise the ethos of the team himself.

    Ole needs to establish his own identity with this team, his career as a footballer was exceptional so he without doubt knows the conscious side of the game and the mentality needed to win. The question is if he has the tactical acumen to bring the winning mentality into application. Thus far he's been considerably average in this regard, we have luckily endured more good results as opposed to good performances, that in hindsight summarises Mourinho's second season, we finished 2nd playing diabolical football.

    We need serious improvement next season otherwise we are in trouble with the amount of competition for top places within the league. Sometime interims can be good for a given period but fall off because there's long term implications which we are seeing signs of now.

    Di Matteo is the perfect example, had some great results, beat Bayern in the final and due to a bad campaign after pre season was sacked just before Christmas. The fact that this scenario is a possibility under Ole is entirely the fault of the Glazer's. Should have assessed every option at the end of the season. Nonetheless I hope Ole does bring success into future seasons but personally I think this rebuild phase will be too much of a difficult transition for him.
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    Tactically he has to be like a modern day SAF who will incorporate a modern playing style instead of the freeform attacking style with wingers we used for much of SAF's tenure. So far he has the mental aspect down on what it takes to represent United. Tactically the jury is still very much out. I just hate how we didn't even wait to verify that aspect before rushing the appointment. It's like people at the club didn't even realise this was a factor to be considered. I agree with Jenas when he says the hierarchy have no clue what they're doing
  13. Apr 20, 2019

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    I think he's partially right.

    If Ole is trying to replicate SAF, he will fail.

    I doubt he is though. So we'll see how it goes.
  14. Apr 20, 2019

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    Funny this, in February he was claiming that Ole that had already done enough to be given the job and praised him for bringing United back more towards what they were about.

    Now he says it’s the wrong decision and “United need to get away from the Manchester United way'”.

    A dull pundit giddy because his beloved Spurs reached the semifinal. He was a dull player too.
  15. Apr 20, 2019

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    I don't think he's too good for the club as a whole. I think any younger ambitious manager with the right ideas is too good to work under Woodward who has an incredible capacity to see managers scapegoated while makes mistake after mistake. Had solskjaer left in May after a decent stint he'd likely have good career options after.

    If he follows the trajectory of other managers who worked at this shambles during the last 6 years, his career is essentially over when we fail spectacularly.
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    It is mind boggling to me that anybody would think that acknowledging that our squad and culture needs a rebuild is tantamount to getting excuses for failure in early. We are All over the place at the moment, with every time we think we've sorted an area another issue crops up. We are short top players in several key positions and now have uncertainty over de gea, herrera, pogba and lukaku.

    We absolutely need a rebuild. Hopefully it can be achieved while getting success but I wouldn't be against seeing a cultural rebuild over next season if it meant a balanced, more experienced squad at the end - without a trophy.

    Solskjaer has said all the right things and if he had a competent ceo then I'd have confidence he will get it right. The shambles that is Ed Woodward aside, the suggestions are that solskjaer will be chasing hungry young talented players with the personalities to match abilities rather than the motley crew of signings we've been making. He's also said he will be ruthless in who needs to go. Fellaini was offloaded at first chance and now it looks like lukaku is at risk. How can anybody be against this approach.

    I'm still hugely optimistic about what he can do here despite our falling away, but feel Woodward represents a huge obstacle.
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    This forum needs to get a grip. Ole unbeaten run was heavily dependent on his front 6. He figured out his first eleven quickly and they understood what he wants from them. The front 6 work so well together that they took pressure the defense and we started to concede less.

    Everything changed he 5 out of the 6 within the space of a week and it’s been a stop start since then. The only mistake he’s made so far trying to rush the injured guys back quickly.

    If the front 6 had been fit till now, I’m sure the results will be different. With Mourinho and LVG, I don’t think anyone here can point to their first eleven because both managers seems confused on what they want from the team.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    Ole Solskjaer Gunnar :lol:
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    All my non United supporting mates share this opinion - one of them, a Liverpool fan, said he punched the air when he first heard the announcement. I also think we should have at least waited until the summer to make an informed decision rather than being caught up in the emotion of the new manager bump.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    B20 HEY EVERYONE I IGNORE SOMEONE LOOK AT ME

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    I am excited at the possibility of it all going tits up and solskjaer's popularity delaying the inevitable. Hopefully it's a slow burner and he falls just short and needs another season, etc. Don't go full Moyes yet.

    That said don't think current results are much indication of anything. Solskjaer said from the start he wants to play a style of football that these players are not physically ready for. That worked for a dozen games, now they are gassed.

    Things might be very different after a full preseason.
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    Wumminator The Special One!

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    Why is anyone sharing an article by Jermaine Jenas FFS.
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    Wumminator The Special One!

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    Ok. Let’s finally address this point.

    We didn’t announce Ole when we did (despite it clearly being the right decision).

    How does that mean we are in a better place now? We have no manager preparing for next year, we have no managerial prospects available. How are we currently in a better place?

    We’d be going into the Everton game with the players not knowing who’ll be manager next year, we will have no direction from a football manager to do transfers and our club would be a shambles.

    Tell you Liverpool mate he won’t be punching the air when they finish fifth next year and get dicked by Barcelona in a few weeks. Then ask him what trophies he’s celebrated in the last decade.
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    Regulus Arcturus Black Full Member

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    Well despite our recent run of tricky matches and poor results, if City beat Spurs and we win tomorrow then Ole is still only second in the league table to Manchester City/Guardiola since he took over.
    If City fail to beat Spurs and we beat Everton, he's still top of that table.
    http://solskjaertabellen.com

    The real shame here is people using defeats to PSG, Arsenal away & Barcelona as sticks to beat Ole with. It's pretty darn ridiculous.
    He's had 2 shit results since taking over, and one of those included a red card for his side.
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    C'est Moi Cantona Full Member

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    People can bury their heads in the sand all they want, a lot if what Jenas said is true.

    Can only hope Ole proves him wrong.
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    Yeah, pretty much any non-United fan was always going to be happy with the appointment of Solskjær.

    The fear is always there that United will appoint an elite coach (who isn't a busted flush) and reawaken. As much as United fans love Solskjær, the idea that he can become a Premier League winning coach in the next couple of years is wishful thinking at best and fantasy at worst. So basically he'll just be another guy there for two or three seasons, win a minor cup or two, probably finish between 3rd and 6th and then be sacked and the whole process will start again.
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    Not sure that Ole is a problem really. Luis Enrique was a pony manager before managing Barca and he won the treble followed by the double. The reality is that any decent manager can challenge for major honours when there is foresight, planning and structure behind him. City have planned for a long while for the Guardiola appointment, they even got a former colleague of his so he could recruit in advance for him, they are seeing the fruits of their labour now.

    I find managers of this club are held to standards that are far too high within the context of the club structure. They are expected to come into the job and do the jobs of several people at once, when they should be left to be coaches and concentrate on preparing for matches.
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    El Zoido Full Member

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    It’s a fair opinion, I don’t have any problems with it. Time will tell if it’s true, managers don’t start out being great. It could go either way but I’m happy to give him a chance. If there was a high calibre manager available then it might be a different question.
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    Take your head out of the sand. Look at the two teams dominating the league this season - they took on established elite top level managers who were in their prime in Guardiola and Klopp. They have since built and built and are now reaping the rewards of those decisions. Players want to play for these managers. Yes, Klopp has not won anything yet but he has got Liverpool into the position where they are challenging hard for the Title and Champions League - they will get near to 100 points this year whether they win it or not and could realistically get to the CL final for the second consecutive year. Would you honestly not prefer to be in their position rather than scrapping unconvincingly for 4th place?

    Ole is not a top level manager and he’s not established himself. What are his credentials to manage the world’s biggest club apart from the fact he was a popular player for us? Players will not particularly want to come and play for him and we will rely on paying crazy wages to attract players (like Sanchez) who are looking for a big pay day.
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    Danish caftards can look forward to see me being interviewed on Danish TV. I got accosted outside the Arndale this morning and asked what I thought about Ole.
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    Wumminator The Special One!

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    When Guardiola was hired by Barce what credentials did he have.

    “Players want to play for _____” is the most mental thing I’ve ever seen. They literally don’t care. They want money. If we wanted Van Dijk or Salah and offered them a higher wage they’d be here today. City’s best players didn’t even sign for them under Pep.
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    It seems like we rely on paying crazy wages anyway. Sanchez was signed by top top manager Jose.

    I’m far from confident that Ole is going to be a success, but players not wanting to join United because of him is a long way down my list of reasons.

    Edit: what @Wumminator said
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    I wonder if Ole's signing was an attempt to put a puppet manager who won't be complaining about the club's incompetence
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    Posts, was that your worst one?
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    Barcelona has an established system of bringing through managers from within, including a proper “B team” - we don’t have the same model at all so that’s not a fair comparison

    Yes, money is important to players (especially the more mercenary type) but I think they do want to play for certain managers as well.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    Nah

    Yet things seem to have change since his survival of the best speech. I guess he had to considering that the club was busy giving contracts to Jones and young. Meanwhile we seem to have issues persuading the likes of Phelan and DDG to stay.

    Everyone from former players right to former managers complain of how badly run united are. So I won't be surprised if Mr molde is yet another bad decision
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    Jose was past his best before he got to United. Same with Van Gaal. Both great managers in their day but the game moved on and they couldn’t.
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    I think there's possibly 3 managers in the World that players currently would fancy playing for, Guardiola, Klopp & Zidane. I still think wages trumps it for most players.
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    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Though it was clear that Jose was a big risk, considering what happened at Chelsea just before United appointed him.

    We just have to hope that Ole’s best lies ahead of him.