Our home record/form

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  1. Feb 19, 2018
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    haram Full Member

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    Played 18
    Won 14
    Drawn 2
    Lost 2
    Goals scored 37
    Goals against 9

    Second best home form in the league with the best defensive record.

    Our away form (along with Arsenal) has let us down a bit with some of it being down to not dealing with the press well enough and not having the most effective transitions into attack from defence on counters.

    At home however, whenever a team sits deep we seem to break them down, which as all United fans know was a problem for us last year with all the 1-1 draws. I do not think we get enough credit for our attacking movement and link play in this sense, with Mata being one of the players perhaps overlooked in terms of importance on the right. I dont think the 4231 is dead, I just think perhaps in away games we just need another man in midfield to help soak a press so we can counter and rectify our record on the road. We are the only team to beat Arsenal at the Emirates and our counters on that day were outstanding, so I have confidence for next season that we can do this more consistently.

    I think there has been improvement in our attacking play against parked busses which was a problem last year and it doesn't get enough attention or recognition. We did manage to break Burnley down, the only problem was we were 2-0 down (should have started Lingard instead on Ibra!), and the other game was Southampton where we missed Lukaku through injury. Those are the two draws. The loss was of course against City but we were trying to play on the break that day.
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    Rifer Full Member

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    Wow.

    Old Tra Fortress.

    Do you have our away record/form stats? For clear comparison.
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    No surprise that a Mourinho team has a good home record.
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    haram Full Member

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    Still got Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal to play.

    We struggled to a win over Spurs and got a royal dicking by City, so I wouldn't be exactly calling it a fortress this soon.
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    :lol: Last reason, our home record is.. one of the worst in our history. Too many draws, few wins.
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    haram Full Member

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    For comparison, this was our record last year:

    Played 19
    Win 8
    Drawn 10
    Lost 1
    Goals scored 26
    Goals against 12

    Already won more games, already scored more goals.

    Dominated Arsenal last year, beat Chelsea last year, we need to be doing better against Liverpool period.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    No real surprise a thread expressing some positivity about this season died on its arse but feck it, I'll bump it anyway. Because I'm a contrarian.

    Thinking about, Mourinho's career will live or die on the pitch at Old Trafford. Having already beaten Spurs and with Chelsea and Liverpool still to play at our place, next season's CL qualification probably depends on whether or not we can keep up the fortress Old Trafford thing for the rest of the season. Scratching out draws on the road is fine (IMHO) so long as convince when we play them again in front of our own fans.

    For completeness, our home record in all competitions is as follows:

    Played 18
    Won 15
    Drawn 2
    Lost 1
    Goals scored 42
    Goals against 7

    I reckon that's not far off peak Fergie (but am, obviously, willing to stand corrected if anyone has stats to the contrary)

    So yeah, there's a real make or break feel about the next fortnight but even the most pessimistic people on here would have to admit that the fact these critical games are all at Old Trafford should make us reasonably confident. Right? Right?!
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  9. Feb 23, 2018
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    Good bump. We win at home, we win away against weaker teams but because of those 6,7 ugly away games( that was ugly to watch, i admit it) everything is disaster.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Our next 2 home games in league is against Chelsea and Liverpool. If we beat them both then we have good chance of finishing in 2nd spot.

    Also in next 6 games we play 5 at home. So good chance to build some form and momentum.
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    Nice try, pessimists will stay being pessimists,
    eg. "Well, we lost once already. That number can be increase."
    "Past games doesn't matter, our form is rubbish and we will lose next game."

    Our home record is impressive.
    The goals scored means we've scored unexpectedly about 2 goals per game roughly. Wow.
    So at home, Old Tra Fortress, we've won more than 90% games, and almost being unbeaten almost 100%. Wow.
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    Lets get ready to wumble Banned

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    Our home form is better against the dross, but in our last 6 home games we still have to play Chelsea, Liverpool & Arsenal, so I'll wait and see where we are after that.

    Against Spurs at home this season, we performed worse than last season, sneaking a one-nil win in a dour match. Our other home game against a top 6 team was against City... well I don't think anyone needs reminding about that. Total embarrassment,

    It wouldn't even matter if we won every game now, because we still got played off the park by City (again!). That is totally unacceptable. They are a mile clear of us now, so if that isn't an eye opener that things aren't right, then nothing will be.

    If we play City off the park at their ground, then I'll give Jose some credit, at least that would be something to cling onto. But no sane person could possibly believe that is going to happen. Not unless the entire City squad get taken down by a bout of Ebola. And even then he'd probably still park the bus.

    I applaud your positivity, but we have to be real here, we are light years behind, and it is unacceptable to just blindly accept 2nd best. Especially with it being City. Big changes are needed, and it starts with Mourinho. Time to show him the door. Thanks but no thanks Jose. We need to take this club in another direction now.
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    iamherenow New Member

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    Lol..
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    Bloody hell:eek:
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    Our home record under Mourinho
    Played: 49
    Wins: 34
    Draws: 13
    Loses: 2
    Scored: 99
    Conceded: 23

    Our home record since 24/1/2016 (Defeat against Southampton)
    Played: 60
    Wins: 42
    Draws: 16
    Loses: 2
    Scored: 121
    Conceded: 30
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    el3mel Full Member

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    Wow, relax a little bit, mate.

    Football, bloody hell!
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    Counts for nothing if we don’t beat Chelsea or Liverpool. Need to make it a fortress against the big sides too.
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    Lets get ready to wumble Banned

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    I am relaxed, but I'm frustrated too.

    When Dave Sexton was fired in 1981, he'd just won 7 games on the trot. So why was he sacked? Because the football was so boring it was turning fans off, and gate receipts were going down. So the board got rid and brought in some razzmataz in the name of Ron Atkinson to try and win the fans back.

    That is the Manchester United way, and that is largely why we've managed to build up such a large brand, such a sexy identity & large fanbase all round the world, because we've always been associated with exciting teams and flair players, going back to The Busby Babes, George Best, even during our lean years we had guys like Coppell, Lou Macari, Bryan Robson etc. Then Eric arrived and a new era began, then the class of 92, Beckham, Giggs, Scholes found their way into the team, then Rooney & Ronaldo.

    Now we've still got some great players, but we're being associated with boring football now, every time you turn on the TV they calling us dull and turgid, pundits all round the world are saying it, the proof is on youtube and it is EVERY single day, they are loving it, they are assaulting our club and image, and the worst thing is every single one of us knows it true.

    That is gonna hurt our brand. Who in Africa or the Middle East or China or wherever is gonna tune in for the first time and want to support this? It is gonna hurt our future revenue, this is fans who are gonna support someone else, these are fans who are perhaps not going to buy official merchandise or lucrative streaming services in the future. The only reason we can still even remotely compete with City is because of the brand we built up over 60 years. Jose Mourinho is going to destroy all that, because he doesn't get it, he thinks football is football, defending is defending, attacking is attacking. But what about the artistry, what about the poetry, he doesn't care, because he's a god damn philistine!

    And once you become associated with being boring, it is very difficult to shake it off. Luckily it has only been 4 and a half years, but Jose Mourinho is going to destroy everything we built up if we don't kick him out of this club, head first ASAP!!
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    Well.. our home record last season with Mourinho is poor.

    So that second record means,

    Under LVG (since 24/1/16).
    Played: 11
    Wins: 8
    Draws: 3
    Loses: 0
    Scored: 22
    Conceded: 7
    Performance: Effective but Sleeping football, zero excitement except for Rashford's and Martial's show.
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    Puddser Banned

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    Not to speak on his behalf but the obvious choice is Poch. Luis Enrique? Carlo? Tuchel...? There's always options!
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    Puddser Banned

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    Just for the record, LVG vs Jose Mourinho Home Premier League Records:

    LVG
    Season 1
    P19 W14 D2 L3 GF41 GA15 GD26 PTS44

    Season 2
    P19 W12 D5 L2 GF27 GA9 GD18 PTS41

    Total

    P38 W26 D7 L5 GF68 GA24 GD44 PTS85

    Jose Mourinho

    Season 1
    P19 W8 D10 L1 GF26 GA12 GD14 PTS34

    Current Season
    P13 W10 D2 L1 GF29 GA5 GD24 PTS32

    Total
    P32 W18 D12 L2 GF55 GA17 GD38 PTS66

    So even if Jose was to manage to perform a miracle and win his remaining 6 home games this season (he won't), he'd still be a point worse off than LVG.

    I also judge it on PL only as the PL is our bread and butter and its our most important competition, I always want to finish as high up in the league as possible personally.

    So Jose apologists, wrap your head around those numbers and try justify them.
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    Mckenna is the one I'd like to see coaching this team.
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    ‘Jose apologists’ :lol:.

    There is an improvement from last year. There is progression in this aspect in terms of how we break down teams who sit deep. Another win today, that’s 11.

    Come on United :devil:
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    Marcky411 Full Member

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    Great post, good summary with the stats.
    I too am tired of hearing how much better we are with Mourinho. These are the stats speaking and you can’t compare the team/players Jose has at his disposal compared to LvG. What I too would like to see are the stats comparing the amount of injuries both managers had to deal with.
    Also all this talk about the football being played under Mourinho is much better I don’t get either. I would agree with that statement up until the Liverpool game away after that it has been dire to watch except for a couple of decent performances in between, but we had that under LvG as well.
    The difference I am seeing now is that at this stage the fans were calling for LvG’s head and the press where like sharks that smelt blood in the water. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying we should’ve given him more time or that I would want him back but if you listen to a lot of fans they believe there is no one out there that can replace Jose and be successful.
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    Last season was a big of an outlier in terms points expected at home and points earnt. It’s not as if they were poor draws, they were games we deserved to win.
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    haram Full Member

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    I'm not surprised people would rather look for negatives.
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    Thats not a slight on Jose, LVG had a fantastic home record. It was a lack of pace away from home that was the problem.
    Arsenal are a mess this year but their home record is fantastic. Its not a failure if Simeone etc couldn't beat it next year.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Jose Mourinho first 100 games = win percentage 62%
    LVG first 100 games = win percentage 52%
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    If the referee had sent off Bravo last season at OT and Lukaku didn't mess up twice from set pieces against City this season Mourinho would've had an unbeaten record at OT since he arrived. We really struggled last season with smaller teams at home so it's good to make OT a fortress again.
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    How to turn a positive thread into another moaning about Mourinho, sigh..

    Apparently the guy can't take any credit for anything.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    :lol: not sure what's more stupid, insisting on including results from last season in a thread about this season's form or the unbelievably childish "Jose Apologists" in your closing sentence. Home fixtures include more competitions than the PL, by the way. You might prefer to ignore them but they're all legitimate competitive matches and relevant to this thread/discussion.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Did we seriously draw more games in Jose's first season at OT than in LVG's last? That's very surprising if true.

    Even if it is correct though Jose > LVG obvs
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    The draws last year were infuriating.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Big difference to the dour, chance free, nil alls under Van Gaal and the “opposition goalkeeper MOTM” draws at home under Mou last season.
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    "Jose apologists" ffs :lol: I refuse to believe an adult actually wrote that.

    Yeah last year was fecked tbh. A lot of matches we should have won spurned by poor finishing and bad luck, as opposed to sitting at the half way line for 90 minutes the season before.
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    100% this.
    Last year every goalkeeper transformed into DDG against us
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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    Just look at the goal we scored. 27 in 15/16 and 26 in 16/17 - hardly a difference. And, as you've mentioned, keepers like Randalph and Heaton were pulling off one miraculous save after another.
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    Puddser Banned

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    Never said there wasn't improvement on last year, did I? Still even if he won all his remaining home games its a point less than LVG managed at home, personally don't expect he'll manage 5 wins from 5. But stranger things have happened.

    Shoulda, woulda, coulda... Table doesn't lie. Fact is over a course of a 38 game season, half of them at home (which is the discussion in this thread) his record has been bettered by a manager crucified for far less.

    It's a discussion about Home form. Not overall games or 100 games in or whatever. My facts are home records.

    Not sure what's more childish the insults or childish gifs? Let you decide on that. The thread discussion is about Home form, others have posted our home form in recent seasons, not like I'm the only one to do so. What's the issue?

    Where's the issue with showing our home form in recent seasons (regardless of managers) to see if we've had a steady decline / incline? Have we scored more? Less? Conceded more? Less?

    As for PL only, its our bread an butter. It's the competition that matters most and shows the real gauge of a teams ability, not cups which brings in a huge element of luck of the draw and lesser games against lesser opposition on most occasions, So the PL records are completely fair.

    Literally just putting numbers down in black an white and as per usual the Jose brigade are in convulsions, how dare he show LVG to have performed better in any aspect!

    Oooh another silly laughing face, what a surprise.

    Again, you don't take your chances you'll pay the price. It balances out and regardless of luck, poor finishing or whatever other crap you want to blame the result is what it is. Jesus yesterday could and probably should of been a draw with Morata's goal incorrectly disallowed and Chelsea created more, but lets ignore that right? Doesn't suit your argument. As I always say these things balance out over the course of a season so you can sulk about home draws to cover for the man the simple fact is he's had a better squad than LVG had and even we win the remaining 5 home fixtures its still a point less.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Seriously newbie system BRING IT BACK!!