Our player sales

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Member 5225, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Jun 10, 2018
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    Surprised at the lack of player sales (or even substantial links) thus far. Are clubs not very interested in our players or something? Are there any substantial exit links?
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    Darmian and Blind are the only two who've really been linked with a move away at the moment. Problem is they'll be on wages of around 60-70k and barely played for us so clubs interested can just dig their heels in and say they're not going to pay above a small amount as we'd be wanting rid of them and the clubs interested can't afford the fee as well as the player wages.
  3. Jun 10, 2018
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    SpyLuke10 Full Member

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    As far as I know, it seems like Darmian and Fellaini are gonna leave.

    It also seems likely that Blind will leave. I also reckon Andreas Pereira will leave. and idk thats all i know.
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    Rozay Master of Hindsight

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    We’ll almost certainly sell a centre half as we appear to be targeting an 11th one or whatever it is now.
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    simonhch Horrible boss

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    Darmian and Blind will be gone soon enough. Any further player sales will be according to incoming transfers I suspect.
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    ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg Full Member

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    How many players have actually been sold across Europe so far in the transfer window? About a dozen?
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    Red Royal New Member

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    We will get peanuts for the players who we clearly don’t want. (Blind, Darmian, Fellaini etc) as clubs around Europe will wait and steal them knowing we need to upgrade. I think we as a club need to be looking to get rid of some of the players who are closer to match day squads.

    That bracket would be the likes of Mata, Herera, Young, Jones, Smalling. For those we would hopefully get decent money and an upgrade on them would actually help us. I mean a slight upgrade on Blind for example isn’t going to set the league on fire - they can go and we replace with youth (TFM, Tuanzabe, McTominay etc).
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    fellaini's barber Banned

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    I'm always dissapointed at our outgoing transfers, we always seem to want to keep everyone
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    simplyared Full Member

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    Maybe just paper talk but they say Everton's manager, Marco Silva, is interested in Lindelöf. If true we should bite his hand off!
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    That makes no sense and isn't how any top club operates. You don't just actively look to get rid of the players who are regularly in the starting XI. We don't need the money.

    Phil Jones and Smalling aren't going anywhere.
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    SprayingErmine6 New Member

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    I have heard, that we want to keep Fellaini at the club - was just an article I have read somewhere...

    As for Blind - there‘s probably the problem with the wages etc. Because he is not the player you want to spend your transfer and wage budget on (for interested clubs).
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    IRELANDUNITED Full Member

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    Wouldn't even get a packet of peanuts for him because he can leave on a free if he wants to
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    Gopher Brown Full Member

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    Yes, the embarrassment that Fellaini is rejecting us rather than the other way round will keep me awake at night for years. Or maybe it won’t.

    I do find it very odd how we are so keen on keeping him though, considering his lack of ability.

    Blind is a good player who would do well in a slower and less physical league. Italy would suit him well, or China.
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    Fair point.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    It's the 10th of June.
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    davidmichael Full Member

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    I think it’ll be Johnstone, Darmian, Blind, Borthwick-Jackson, Fellaini, Pereira, Wilson and maybe a centre back (Rojo/Lindelof) will all be leaving as well as maybe Shaw once we sign Sandro or whoever.
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    Bastian Full Member

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    I think we'll really struggle to get rid of players and anywhere near decent prices. It's obvious we are stacked with unwanted players on high wages, leaving us no leverage whilst having to continue a dramatic rebuild which really requires us to sell quite a few. Jose has tried to navigate this by insisting he's happy to keep everyone who wants to stay, but in reality no manager wants players he doesn't feel he can trust to carry out his objectives.
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    AndyJ1985 Banned

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    They'll leave eventually. We don't need to sell to buy so there's no hurry.
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    RyRy11 Full Member

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    I don't think keeping players like Damian or Blind is gonna stop us signing the players we want/need. Getting rid only really frees up squad spaces considering the size of our wage budget, there's no rush.
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    Bastian Full Member

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    We need to sell to balance the wage budget. That's a problem.
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    nameischarles New Member

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    It's still early in the transfer window but I'm sure Darmian will be moved soon.

    Blind's contract has recently been triggered? I don't expect him to stay and we should let him move on but it's more to raise his value.

    If Fellaini wanted to stay he would have signed the contract extension by now (hoping he won't still), I hope his thinking of his playing time at this part of his career and change of scenery will help him. This is the best time to part ways, we offered and Jose wants him to stay but if he doesn't want to then goodbye. Would be harder to move him if he starts complaining lack of game time or being a bit part player in future.
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    cyril C Full Member

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    All our players are expensive relatively because we pay their premium as we sign them up. When we want to sign a player we want to do this ASAP, but we will typically not sell ours before we buy. First of all we must not show our hands and tell the rest of the world that we are short on LB etc. Secondly we may need to use our surplus player to trade. Thirdly, unless the buying club is PSG, most clubs cannot afford our wage scale. Hence there will be lot of negotiation to push down the transfer fee in order to justify the wage portion.

    Words are Fellaini is asking for 200K (for a free agent) which is prohibitively expensive to most clubs, even for a free agent. Fellaini is out of our hands anyway, the only concern are Blind, Darmian, Shaw, add Herrera, Mata if any clubs want and can afford them.
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    Henry Gaervell New Member

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    We could genuinely get rid of 8 players and it wouldn't have an impact on the first team given their lack of game time this season. There are another 4 players who could also go, who I think could easily be replaced with a higher standard of player - they have proven to be inconsistent and/ or failed to reach a top standard.

    Defintely Sell
    Jones, Rojo, Fellani, Blind, Darmian, Sam Johnstone, Shaw, Wilson

    Would Sell
    Mata - Always play him out of position, while the attacking mid role seems to have disappeared

    Smalling - Best CB last season, but his lack of techical skill is limiting

    Herrera - 1 good season out of 4, he is now a rotation option

    Lidelof - I question if he has a strong enough mentality. If it's true that Everton will offer 35m then I'd defintely take it


    I'm not expecting all of the above to go, but I'd want around half to leave. The squad can be significantly improved upon and these players are blocking opportunities and are untapped source of capital that is depreciating
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    It's fecking bizarre how people want us to sell both Jones and Smalling. They're both of our starting defenders. Teams don't just dump their first team players and hope whoever comes in slots in. It doesn't work like that.

    I didn't even notice the guy above wants us to sell 4 centre backs what in the name of god
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    AdamAdams New Member

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    Was thinking the same, don't understand the sell Smalling brigade!
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    Henry Gaervell New Member

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    You might want to re read the post before jumping the gun. 2 of the 4 I said i'd definitely sell - Jones and Rojo have unfortunately proved thenselves as sick notes and I doubt they have mustered a full 38 games between them last season. Defenders need consistenty and they do not automatically return to full form after a long injury lay off - that was probably best highlighted with Jones' blinder in the final.

    The other two I'd sell only if we get replacements in. I doubt anyone could make a strong argument that neither could not be improved upon. Personally, if we got an offer of 35m for lideloff I'd cut my losses considering how fragile he was mentally last year. Smalling has been out best Centre Back, but the guy is very limited with the ball and will soon get punished by VAR with his pulling antics - you have to question how good he is if he can't make an England squad that plays a back 3.

    What I find strange about this site is the loyalty to bang average players. If we want to get back to the top, we need to change what hasn't been working.
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    Nick7 Full Member

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    Nah, I read it. Getting rid of 4 centre backs and replacing them would be an unmitigated disaster. It's not about loyalty, it's about real life. Bedding in 4 centre backs would make us a LOT worse off than we already are, there's no major problem with our centre backs despite what people think, certainly not one that should make us completely rip out 4 of our 5 defenders. That just will not work.

    Regarding your point about Smalling at the end that's laughable. Southgate should be bringing Smalling as he's a better defender than anyone else England have brought up.
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    Henry Gaervell New Member

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    You have an interesting concept of 'bedding in'. Regularly changing our centre backs due to persistent injuries is far from a stable situation - our defence gets 'ripped out' as a regular occurance due to this issue.

    Edit - I just checked the stats. Jones and Rojo played approx 30 games between them in 17/18 (based on total minutes). That is certainly not stability

    In terms of performances, I'm just glad we've had De Gea in goal as our defensive record would be be very poor without him.

    I'll stick with my idea of replacing two defenders that are unfortunately injury prone and look to replace a further two with better players (if they become available).
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    SprayingErmine6 New Member

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    Would you like Herrera to go?

    I mean I understand that the likes of Mata could be let go off but Herrera is still a decent player and brings passion to our squad and has very good ball winning skills - so my question is: with Carrick retired, McTomminay not on a high enough level just yet - who would be backup for Fred?
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    Who fecking wants anyone we're trying to sell?

    Not like we're stockpiling world beaters.
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    cyril C Full Member

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    Not in 2018, unless he wants to leave. Mata can easily be replaced by a decent right winger, but a CMF takes time to settle in. Fred and whoever might come in, will need time to settle in. Herrera has "proven" to be ineffective to the team but no harm to keep in for another season just to make sure. I knows his contract run out next summer, but so did Fellaini. Call it a 20m insurance policy.
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    endless_wheelies feeling dizzy

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    Biggest worry is we're just thinking "well we have all summer to sell, only August 7th to buy". Best way to get fleeced for a player we didn't want to sell.
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    Silly knee jerk comments in June. Players will start moving after the World cup, those not involved are now on holidays. You'd think it was September they way you're going on. Blind, Damian etc will all be gone before the new season.
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    I'm blaming this thread for Martial wanting to leave.
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    crossy1686 Full Member

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    I still stand by it, who would want Blind or Darmian? They’ve hardly played last season. We’re going to have to get their agents to whore them out because no one is going to be knocking our door down for them.
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    SpyLuke10 Full Member

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    There are plenty of clubs who would want Blind or Darmian. Problem is, none of them think they're worth or are willing to pay near the sort of wages the players want/expect.
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    cyril C Full Member

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    You can keep them in the book until their contract runs out, then they can leave for free and find a new club. Or you can knock 3m off your demand which is equivalent to a subsidy of 20K p.a. over 3 year. I believe we gave much more on Rooney's deal in order to trade him off. Darmian is wanted by Juventus, possibly a reasonable deal on table. Blind is still a Dutch international, 2nd tier Bundesliga clubs can use him.
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    GM K Full Member

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    I am still curious about Pogba. Is the club considering selling him? I noticed his responses to transfer speculations have been 'diplomatic' rather than full commitment to United lately. And we keep getting linked to Savic.
    I know this is wild conspiracy theory but G riezmann says no to United, Martial wants to leave and Pogba doesn't seem to be 0commited. The French connection?
    Only conspiracy theorists like me should respond to this. :lol:
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    jesperjaap Full Member

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    Absolutely, especially at the moment and also the prices we get for our players. There are up to 12/13 players I wouldnt be exactly gutted for different reasons to see moved on, which is sad to say when its virtually half the squad of the club you support.

    For me there is at least seven players we should be moving out and if it was me it would be probably ten players with seven coming in and we should be raising well over £200m from those sales too which would allow us to spend big which we need to I think.

    A bit championship manager, the reality is we well sell four or five and buy four or five.
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    I really find it incredible how quickly people are ready to give up on Lindelof. He's young and actually starting looking better by the end. He definitely deserves more time.