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Paul Pogba 2018-19 Performances

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  1. May 14, 2019

    Loublaze ATLien

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    Nice way to deflect from the pertinent question, and nice excuses for the others. You're basically admitting Pogba had no help
  2. May 14, 2019

    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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  3. May 14, 2019

    Loublaze ATLien

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    Its for the best
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    Bobski Full Member

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    That is the headline statement but is it really so absurd to consider that having Pogba in a midfield 3 creates significant challenges? He is ill disciplined in his positioning, he does switch off and allow players to run off him. Your midfield partners have to trust that you will be do your job defensively, only way to build the structure that makes top teams.

    Are people arguing that he should have no defensive responsibilities whatsoever? What midfield role allows that nowadays?
  5. May 14, 2019

    kbbear New Member

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    All this talk of not running smells of the media driven "black and lazy" tag in my opinion. Hoddle, Pirlo, Zidane, Molby, Scholes didn't charge around but had skill and vision but that was ok. Pogba with better / clever players around him would unlock any defence. Don't worry next season the likes of Matic and Mctominay will unlocking defences and scoring goal from midfield :-)
  6. May 14, 2019

    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Matic is alot worse than he is and he is the DM

    Infact Pogba makes more tackles and win more duels than him. Thats our defensive midfielder...

    No one is saying he shouldn't have defensive responsibility and shouldn't do better but he absolutely doest make his team mates worse. Thats a load of crap
  7. May 14, 2019

    Bobski Full Member

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    Matic is done, and his decline was obvious even at Chelsea. It was a foolish signing with issues that should have been foreseen.

    Pogba making his teammates worse is an overly dramatic way of putting it, really the point should be that he makes his teammates job harder than it needs to be at times. This is hardly a new concept either, people were calling him the Utd version of Steven Gerrard early on, an immense talent, but he doesn't really fit easily into a standard midfield role, meaning certain accommodations have to be made.
  8. May 15, 2019

    In Rainbows Full Member

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    This is another narrative that I hate. Remember what it was like when we had Cleverley in our midfield. Our midfield was criticized for not taking risks because the creative output was awful. Pogba may make it harder for them to defend, but he also takes away a lot of the attacking responsibility away from his midfield teammates. Without Pogba, they're going to be made to look worse because they're going to be counted on to pick up what they lost without him.

    It's always the defensive side of the game that is stressed in these discussions, and never the attacking portion of the game that is highlighted.
  9. May 15, 2019

    Kill 'em all Pastor of Muppets

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    All the hate against Pogba when everything good we do in the attacking side of our game comes through him. If you want to complain about players, at least complain about Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Young and many many others who have served complete crap on the field. The players around him are very average and it's very limited what 1 player can do by himself.

    I feel that if Pogba doesn't win us games by himself, he will get criticised. If we lose Paul, we will struggle to get into the top 6.
  10. May 15, 2019

    Loublaze ATLien

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    This. Im glad some people are finally waking up and speaking out openly about this type of bias and scapegoating driven by the media. We won't have anything close to Pogba's production from midfield next season IMO
  11. May 15, 2019

    Raven Full Member

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    Didn't Gerrard's best form come as an attacking midfielder behind Torres, with Macherano (spelling?) and Alonso covering? Or am I dreaming?

    Edit: Gerrard also didn't win much in a team where he was the only world class player either.
  12. May 15, 2019

    izzydiggler Full Member

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    The evidence that Pogba is the victim of ‘bias and scapegoating’ by the media is that Jan Molby and Glenn Hoddle weren’t criticised? It’s such a ridiculous argument, I can only assume it’s a wind up.
  13. May 15, 2019

    Bobski Full Member

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    Right wing as well at times, it was only really the last 2-3 years of his career, when his legs were going/gone, that he seemed to twig on to how to play in a more orthodox midfield role. Liverpool struggled for years, until Benitez realized the futility of it, to fit Gerrard into a standard midfield role. England famously as well with that ludicrous Gerrard/Lampard phase. You can see why managers want players like Gerrard and Pogba to take on that role, guys with that level of ability plus athleticism solve a lot of problems for managers if they can harness it.

    Haaman was also a great help for Gerrard, who was probably more consistently dynamic than Pogba, certainly played at a higher tempo, for good and ill.
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    Raven Full Member

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    I never thought of it before, but there are quite a few similarities between Pogba and Gerrard. Need a good DM, who's capable of running, and a CB.

    Pogba does his work, when he's after sprinting 60 yards and one of his team mates touch bounces off them, you can't expect him to sprint a further 80 yards back to defend the goal when there are 5-6 players behind him. Bar the stories I hear of Di Stefano, ive never heard of a player that does all the jobs at the same time, it's not really possible.
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    Bobski Full Member

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    Pogba has switched between roles quite often at Utd. When he is playing in deeper positions I think it is certainly ok to expect him to do better defensively than he does(while also understanding that his attacking possibilities are more limited)

    The Pogba/Gerrard can possibly be summed up by stating that I believe they are/were both world class footballers but I don't believe either were/are world class midfielders. I thought the same of Pogba even at Juve and it is not as if France have always found it easy to balance what is best for Pogba and what is best for the team.
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    Raven Full Member

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    I assume this is why Ole has been talking about building a team around him. Play to his strengths because he's our best player, if we're lucky enough to keep him, we'll get to see it next season.
  17. May 15, 2019

    edgar allan Full Member

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    He just had to run 20 yrds to track a runner and help prevent a goal at the weekend, he wasn't tired...just couldn't be arsed.
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    Raven Full Member

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    Maybe I didn't see the goal properly (unlikely), but I didn't think he was the main culprit for the goal.
  19. May 15, 2019

    doriandun New Member

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    The thing is both Gerrard and Pogba problem is that they both want to play a position, that doesn't suit their strenghs, Gerrard wanted to play the role of deep lying playmaker, but his strength were short passing, crossing, running, playing early passess, hence why he was so successfull with Torres or virtually every striker he played with, whereas Pogba wants to play the second striker role or attacking midfielder role but, he tends to loose the ball alot if played high up the the pitch, which puts pressure on the team against counter attacks, because he is not as nimble and dynamic as Gerrard or most players that play that role, you also have the issue is he not one for pressing, POgba will hate it but his strengths are his long range passing.

    It's the very reason why Deschamps, plays him deep, thru the centre, when he could of easily played someone else there and played Pogba in Matuidi position or Pogba behind Greizmann in attack with Mbappe on the right.
  20. May 15, 2019

    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    There's more than a little truth to this.

    Pogba's best performances as a more conventional central midfielder arguably came for France in the last WC. He was good, worked well in the setup (unlike Gerrard for England, one could add - that was rarely anything but a clusterfeck), but hardly outstanding.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    He was brilliant in the world cup. Its not a full season though and consistency is more his issue
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    Don't agree that he was brilliant, but that's not worth bickering over.

    Consistency is obviously where it's at, we can definitely agree on that. For a conventional CM (to use that term again) consistency is part and parcel of (potential) greatness. You certainly can't swing between brilliance and performances in the 3/10 range.
  23. May 16, 2019

    MadDogg Full Member

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    To be fair, a significant amount of the times he loses the ball (not all) are because he has nobody to pass to. Our movement as a team is absolutely atrocious, and time after time there is nobody ahead of the ball carrier to actually pass it to. Certainly there are times where it's more on Pogba, but even those would probably reduce if he were fully confident in the movement around him.
  24. May 18, 2019 at 13:15

    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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