Discussion in 'Player Performances Forum' started by Maajid, Jul 7, 2012.
You dont get a player that good and young. Shame.
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Scholes should start as many games as he could, every game if it was possible. Still world class.
I hope the next time he retires we replace Paul Scholes with Paul Scholes.
I'd put him alongside Best and Ronaldo as the best three football talents to grace Old Trafford over the last 40 years.
above Charlton? Timeline is pushing it a bit as Bobby was very close to retirement.
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We've played near enough that in different stints, admittedly with different players trying to accommodate too many, but at its core it's what we're currently playing and it's clearly shite. Whether it be Welbeck, Rooney, Valencia, or Carrick shifted to where they don't want to be, it just seems to have a knock on effect and the team doesn't perform. It's a shite system that doesn't work.
Whack Nani over Rooney and it's solid.
Whack Nani over Rooney and play Rooney over RvP, it's solid.
Play Rooney over Kagawa and Nani on the wing, it's solid.
Perhaps even play Kagawa on the wing and play Rooney behind RvP.
I don't get why for the majority of the time we haven't done this. It makes more sense than everything else tried.
As for Scholes, he's still clearly our best. Cleverley needs to play more but at the moment, I would start Scholes against Wigan and Liverpool -- Cleverley to play against Galatasaray.
at 37, he still is one of the best
Rooney's not playing exactly very wide in my formation, and he's interchanging all the time. Evra's the man key to this formation, in terms of providing consistent width down the LHS.
We've not tried this with this personnel; we've tried it with Welbeck who isn't renowned for long range shooting, dribbling, or expansive passing (nor is his acceleration anywhere near our other wingers). Rooney's simply a far better and versatile player than Welbeck, and should be given a chance to prove what he can do there; RvP was more threatening in 2-3 plays in our last match @Southampton down the left (beating his man etc), and can also fill in the interchange well.
According to zonalmarking, Kagawa's can go pretty much anywhere, but tends to stick in the middle half of the pitch (i.e. not on the 'outer' quarter).
i.e. He's the 'wenger' (if the 4 smilies is the width of the pitch, he operates inthe middle 2 smilies). Everyone else in the attacking 4 massively interchanges; of course, I reckon in this formation he'll be more easily able to move around with Rooney operating in a close by space.
Put 4 attacking players of immense quality up the pitch, and they'll get you bags of goals. It's also more experimental at this stage - i wanna see it with a non welbeck.
Rooney was shunted wide in the ronaldo era wasn't he?
Just once, I'd like to see a 3 man midfield of Scholes, Cleverley and Anderson.
Though it would have some defensive weakness one of them can probably manage to stay back, and boy would it be fun to watch!
I need GIFs of Scholes' tackles today, bloody brilliant and scary as hell.
He wanted the ball or blood today, he wasn't leaving any of them tackles without one.
Thought he was great today - ran around the pitch like an 18 year old on speed.
By far our best option in midfield.
Heaven knows how we will ever replace him
Like I said after the Everton game, still our best midfielder.
As Erica said, it's a bit scary as well - the thought of replacing him.
His tackling is even improving these days. How good was that flying tackle in the first half on the edge of the Wigan box?
With all due respect to the legend that is Scholes, the way Wigan set up to play played right in his hand, we don't get to see this side of Scholes to the extent that we have today if the other team is hard pressing.
He's perfect for these sort of games, but I'd have him on the bench when we know we're going up against a team that doesn't allow you much time on the ball.
That being said, damn it do I love watching him play.
This is becoming a sort of a lazy excuse to play it down whenever Scholes has a good game.
Why would you think Wigan didn't press well during the game ?
155 goals in 700 games as a midfielder ... thats 1 goal every 4.5 games .... Over a 20 year career!!!!
I agree, it is annoying when people trot out that nonsense. Another one is: "we were good but (insert team name here)) were shit
oh c'mon, I fully acknowledged he had a great game, and I'm a huge fan of his so I wouldn't want to put him down at all, I'm just stating how things are these days.
Today he was excellent, but wait until he doesn't have a good game, then you'll see everyone saying the same thing.
He's still our best midfielder, even though he's ancient (footballing wise), but it's clear he's more suited to a certain style of play than he is in another.
My favourite player ever! Read the match day thread where one poster posted an interesting stat that said he scored in his 100th, 200th, 300th, 400th, 500th, 600th and now 700th game, one of which is own goal. Here's hoping he scored on his 800th game too. 2 more seasons Mr Scholes?
You still haven't answered the question. Why would you think Wigan didn't press hard during the game ?
They filled the center of midfield with numbers and were always tightly marking players. They hardly gave any time or space and Carrick specially struggled because of that, almost losing balls in dangerous positions couple of times. I can remember Maloney almost doing a man marking on Scholes till he went off.
The only area of pitch where our players had space or time today were out wide. I understand some teams when they come to OT just sit back and give Scholes a plenty of respect but today wasn't one of them.
Thought he played well. Although I think these games are the sort he should play in, the way we lined up I was slightly concerned for him. When we don't play with 2 wide wingers I feel he has less of an impact as he can't use his range as much in the more narrow matches and I think he becomes a bit more susceptible to being exposed on a counter. But thought he played well. It's weird since he's come back he seems to have more energy and better at passing.
Have to say if he could just hold back sometimes when he's defending and just make himself difficult to get past, rather than going for the tackle, he could offer even more. He'll always make his rash challenges but if he could just stand off a bit more it'd be such a big bonus for us when he plays as he'll slow down opposition attacks.
Showed he's still the master of those late runs, his movement and timing really is just on another level.
They weren't THAT tough, true we've seen opponents give us more space than what was given today, but this was hardly like a game against Bilbao for instance, they really gave us a tough time, completely dominated our midfield.
There was pressing involved for sure, but it wasn't there all the time, it was more like it was being done "in shifts".
And it was always going to be the same with that setup, they were seriously voulnerable on the sides and it was exactly how we managed to beat them, by exploiting their obvious weakness. I wonder what would've happened if Valencia had played on the right instead.
Paul Scholes will be the one that when we tell our kids/grand kids about players we saw when we were younger. That's the highest complement I can pay him. He's the one from our generation imo
The thought I keep on having is this: if Scholes hadn't retired, would we have edged City for the title last season?
Anyone notice than since his come back he's started "ghosting" into the box a lot more than he did in the previous 4-5 years.
He's scored 5 PL goals in 20 games since his comeback which is a great record considering he had managed only 7 goals in the previous 4 PL seasons.
No i think. He looked really knackered and as much as i love him, i thought he had made the right call to retire. The break has done him a world of good.
There are a lot of things that could have won us the title last season, Scholes staying wasnt one of them imo.
Possibly, if he never came back in january we would have been out of it.
Probably, but there are a million what-if scenarios that would result in us edging City for the title last season given how close it was.
He looked absolutely cream cracked sat there with Giggs near the end, while Giggsy looked like he'd just had a gentle stroll round the park
Love him to pieces. Just a once in a generation player.
I'll say this, if he'd come back 2 weeks earlier I reckon we'd have won the Blackburn game.
That's very true!! Didn't Fergie also say that Giggs could carry on for another season or two due to his immense physical attributes, whereas Scholes didn't have that?
That said, Scholes was clearly the best player of the two yesterday. Giggs is still quite good on the wing though, and one of his runs into the middle reminded me that he is still pretty darn fast actually - he just rarely seems to use it these days.
If only Scholes had the legs and stamina of Giggs, then you'd have a player capable of playing until his late 40s and still absolutely bossing midfield.
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