Paulo Dybala

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  1. Jan 31, 2018

    dablem_10 New Member

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    after signing of Alexis, i think linkings with him should be dead. Also little injury prone, wanted him here much, as i think he is very interesting prospect, but now i dont see any reason to sign him, especially for the money juve will ask, he will end up in chelsea as hazard replacement
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    He said it would be hard to improve on what he had.
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    Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football

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    I wouldn't say it's ruled out completely. Much is up to what happens with Zlatan.
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    Scholsey2004 Full Member

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    Don't see why the Sanchez signing would rule out dybala. We play 2-3 attacking midfielders/forwards behnd the striker and none of the others are undroppable.
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    Fraud New Member

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    Mourinho will sign another player for the frontline, believe it or not. Our attack is not good enough. And Paulo is the closest thing to a star, who is also available for us. Even if is true that Sanchez and Dybala are similar.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    As much as I want him and I would give my left but to have him here, I don't think he's the profile we need.
    We need a proper pacy skilful left footer on the right.
    The perfect winger for us plays for City.
    Bale in his promise would have been ideal but I wouldn't touch him.
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    engulfing Full Member

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    If we are moving to 433 then we don't need another forward. Instead we need 2 midfielders. If we stick with 4321 then we need 1 more wide player. My bet is pulisic for commercial reasons. Dybala will be excellent as a replacement for mata. But i don't think the time is right. Wait 1 more season for dybala to shed the inconsistency makes sense.
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    pocco loco

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    He would make sense if we were cutting our losses with Lukaku. A top class footballer with a good scoring record would be great.
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    PlayerOne Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    This ship sailed when we brought Sanchez. I don't see how he would fit in within the current system.
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    Fraud New Member

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    Juan and Alexis fit in the same eleven. Paulo could replace any of them. There you go.
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    Just for tactical-experimental purposes, Dybala would make helluva sense as the floating central attacker, but it won't happen because José is a big believer in Lukaku's potential as the spearhead of attack, and the manager doesn't quite have a track record of playing diverse attacks in recent years - preferring to employ a more simplistic approach with a conventional striker up front.

    For reference, this is the type of setup Sampaoli often used with Chile, and Sánchez excelled in it - with him and Vargas starting wider, but having the freedom to cut inside - frequently running in behind the opposition defensive line:
    Martial can comfortably reprise the role of Vargas as a left sided forward, and Dybala should excel as a False 9 given his experience as a forward at both Palermo and Juventus. Fékir is another player we could accommodate in that system as the central attacker - except he's not as dynamic as Dybala.
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    VanHaal'sRedArmy Full Member

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    He'd be another man to create something out of thin air, but there more pressing needs for this squad (central/right midfield)
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    I guess it also depends on what the plan with Alexis is. I would have thought he was nailed on to start on the right but Jose seems to keep starting him on the left and then later moves him central. If he plans on keeping that up then we still need a right sided player really and Dybala could operate in a role similar to Mata where he comes inside freeing up that wing for the fullback.

    Would suck for Martial and Rashford unless Jose were to move Dybala or Sanchez central and Just leave the left for Martial and Rashford to fight for. As honestly I think Jose might stick with his 4231. Even though 433 makes the most sense.
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    "Cutting our losses" With a player who has nearly scored 20 goals in his first season with us and it's only February and he's only 24.

    This fecking forum, seriously.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    I can't see how signing him makes sense.
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    Varun Moderator Staff

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    Hypothetically, it can be made to work but yeah, Mourinho isn't the type of manager for it.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    Dybala and Sanchez, although having different styles, occupy the same space.
    So moving Sanchez to the right and playing Dybala in the middle still won't work.
    Furthermore, both players do most of their work with the ball and barely run beyond it.
    What we need is a genuine RW, someone like Leroy Sane.
    All this is assuming Lukaku is still first choice CF next season.
    I can't imagine Sanchez or Martial taking the spot.
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    Varun Moderator Staff

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    Them occupying similar space isn't a problem if your full backs maintain width and have the quality to hurt teams. They are good enough to adapt in terms of movement as and ah en required as well. All of that said, you need a very attacking and high line possession based system to get the most out of these 2 + martial + Lukaku + pogba which I don't see Mourinho being capable or even comfortable of putting out so it's a moot point really. For our team, I'd rather we got another top CM or RW as you suggested as that's what'd help us more.
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    Realistically going to either one of...
    Barca - because of Messi.
    MCity - Guardiola.
    Manchester United - because of Pogba.

    Doubt he's interested going elsewhere.

    Theoretically could still work with us, just replace his position and role with either Mata or Lingard. Dybala's hard-working enough full of creativity, and offers a lot more scoring threats. Without invading Sanchez's space, he could play as CAM or RM/RW drifting infield, far more lethal centrally. Downside is, less playing times for Rashford, Martial and the likes of our youth eg. Gomes. Doubt Jose will play him as striker, but he does considering playing Sanchez upfront leading the line so..
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt Scouse Lover

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    Difference between Dybala and clubs mentions is that Juve are a selling club.
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    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

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    Lukaku has his faults but we'd be so daft to bin him after 1 season, worst thing is you can see how hard he's trying to improve his all round game too by getting involved in the build up play and people are still happy to slam him.
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    Devil may care Full Member Verified Moaner

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    Jose said no attacking buys this summer, the only way I see this changing is either we have to move early for Pulisic due to Liverpool/Bayern, or Asensio is offered in a deal for De Gea, we wont drop the £150M needed for Dybala now that we've got Sanchez, unless we decide to go for a technically proficient and dynamic front 3 instead of continuing to use a limited #9, which isn't going to happen.
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    Cal? CR7 fan

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    The same Messi who is basically blocking his path into the national side?
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    kafta Perpetual Under 11's Team Player

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    If this guy is on the move, we should be all over it. We are one of the few clubs who can afford him, and the guy is a ridiculously talented footballer.

    There are very few attainable players on his level.
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    Talk about being clinical with your chances.
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    Zlatan should be off. We literally paid him over 150k + a week to do nothing for us this season. We don't really need Dybala at this point. We need powerful midfielders who can play with Pogba. Jorginho in a deeper role with Pogba and Milinkovic-Savic/ Fabinho playing box to box would work. I would like us to have a RW who is a traditional right footed winger instead of inverted to get more width or if we can have Sanchez play as a right winger instead. When Martial came on today, he was back to his usual attacking self on the LW.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    I find this a bit too in depth.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    Am I supposed to be seeing Dybala's name there?
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    Kazi Full Member

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    Can I have a pie chart instead please
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    van der star newprawn warrior Scout

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    On the very top of the top left quadrant.
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    Infordin Full Member

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    It’s pretty simple. It’s the relationship between the number of goals a player has scored vs. the expected goals a player should have scored (based on the quality of their chances).

    According to that chart, Dybala scores twice as many goals as he theoretically should judging by the goalscoring chances he gets.
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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    The beauty of Football is fecked if we are reduced to analyzing scatter plot diagrams.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    It’s the best chart for xG or xA I’ve seen. It actually tells you something. The obvious problem is there is no Lingard. I bet he has a really low xG compared to his actual goals.

    Edit

    He actually only slightly outperforms his xG

    https://understat.com/player/558

    Although I believe it would be slightly misleading overall as he tend to dribble himself into the shooting positions from which he scores, which is difficult.
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    James Peril Full Member

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    That’s one way of looking at it. 20 - it’s still a long way to match the best players in the league/world. He only scores against relegation fodder. Even Peter Crouch could have scored 20 goals for us at this stage, but he wouldn’t make a difference - just like Lukaku. We can’t just judge Lukaku on what he offers, but what other players could have offered.

    I highly doubt we will win the league or CL, with the level of competition on offer, with Lukaku as our focal point for scoring goals. 12 league goals, when other players aren’t chipping in, is incredibly low.
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    bond19821982 Full Member

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    No, crouch wouldn't score 20 goals for us
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    DarkXaero Full Member

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    There's nothing difficult about that chart to understand. People are acting like it's some complex math problem.
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    engulfing Full Member

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    And how does one derive a players expected goal scoring rate? Does it follow a markov process? A poisson process? You can't assume the process is IID, after all you are more likely to score against some teams than others. Also why such a basic model, why constrain yourself to human paradigms, maybe machine learning and artificial neural networks will uncover some hidden structure.
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    Ibi Dreams Full Member

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    Can any chart that has Cristiano Ronaldo alone in an "underperformers" category really be of value?
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    If we are talking about 17-18 Yes.
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    Its meaningless without a proper explanation.
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