Peaches and a GOAT Draft

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  1. Jul 26, 2018
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    All-time drafts are great but they can become GOATfests and therefore somewhat dull. So in this draft you will have a budget so you will probably end up with many peaches of a player but only one GOAT.

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    Draft Rules
    • The draft is All-Time so any players are eligible, however any players born on or before 31st December 1939 must come with a link to a full game in which they appeared. Otherwise the pick will be invalid and the next drafter can pick immediately. You can then post a valid pick asap.*
    • Snake-Style: The teams will be put in a random order then the first on the list gets first pick going down to 16 but then drafter 16 gets two picks then drafter 15 picks working back up the snake until we've finished all the squads.
    • Initial squads will be formed of 14 players
    • The only limitation is that you cannot spend more than 670m on your initial 14 man squad.
    • No changing of picks.
    • You have 8 hours to pick with deadlines beginning 1800 BST Saturday 28th July.
    • In the case of a draw the drafter with the lowest average pick time will win
    * This is so players like Di Stefano and Matthews are eligible but those without a single full game available are not. This is because the discussions about such players become tedious especially since you could have lots of really new players against a team of serious oldies. This should make the discussion more balanced than it otherwise would. Also putting a date cut off prevents you having to link a game with Neymar in.


    Sites for finding full length old games

    https://www.dailymotion.com/
    https://www.youtube.com/
    https://footballia.net/


    Drafting Award

    Following the initial drafting a vote will be taken to determine who wins the Best Drafter Award. Each manager will rank the top three squads that he think were drafted the best (excluding his own). Three points will be assigned to 1st place, two points for 2nd place and one point for 3rd place. These will be sent to a neutral who will then reveal the results.

    Player Prices

    These prices are final. It took ages to come up with these. The idea was to value them according to their pull in drafts, not necessarily how we rate them. Many players you may disagree with the prices but they shouldn't be wildly off the value you have in your mind.

    Any player not listed will cost 15m. If you think a player is missing off the list and should be worth more 40m or more please post it on the thread and I will add them (please don't keep it to your self for an advantage, please play in the spirit of the draft). The players are split into Keepers, Defenders, Midfielders and Forwards for ease of finding a player's price, obviously a few players could be put into different lists.

    Buffon 80
    Yashin 80
    Maier 70
    Schmeichel 70
    Banks 60
    Dasayev 60
    Neuer 60
    Zoff 60
    Beara 50
    Chilavert 50
    De Gea 50
    Fillol 50
    Kahn 50
    Mazurkiewicz 50
    Planicka 50
    Shilton 50
    Van der Sar 50
    Southall 40
    Jennings 40
    Carrizo 40
    Pfaff 40
    Cech 40
    Zenga 40
    Ravelli 35
    Schumacher 35
    Zamora 35
    I. Viktor 35
    Pagliuca 30
    Gilmar 30
    Hellstrom 30
    Grosics 30
    Zeman 30
    Courtois 30
    Preud'homme 30
    Toldo 30
    Casillas 30
    Croy 30
    Seaman 25
    Roma 25
    Tomaszewski 25
    Van Breukelen 25
    Kopke 25
    Rudakov 25
    Taffarel 25
    Peruzzi 25
    Julio Cesar 25
    Arconada 20
    Baia 20
    Clemence 20
    Goram 20
    Illgner 20
    Iribar 20
    Maspoli 20
    H. Tilkowski 20
    Zubizaretta 20

    Beckenbauer 170
    Baresi 150
    Maldini 130
    Figueroa 130
    Nesta 115
    Scirea 115
    Moore 110
    Thuram 110
    Facchetti 110
    Cafu 110
    Nilton 105
    Carlos Alberto 105
    Brehme 100
    Zanetti 100
    Kohler 100
    Djalma 95
    Roberto Carlos 95
    Krol 95
    Passarella 90
    Cannavaro 80
    Bergomi 80
    Cabrini 80
    Cannavaro 80
    Ferdinand 80
    Lahm 80
    Vogts 80
    Amoros 75
    Forster 75
    McGrath 75
    Nasazzi 75
    Dani Alves 70
    Santamaria 70
    Stam 70
    Chumpitaz 65
    Ruggeri 60
    Schnellinger 60
    Tresor 60
    Vidic 55
    Da Guia 50
    Vierchowod 50
    Bossis 50
    Burgnich 50
    Da Guia 50
    Ferrara 50
    Gentile 50
    Gerets 50
    Godin 50
    Lizarazu 50
    Schwarzenbeck 50
    Vierchowod 50
    Junior 45
    Irwin 45
    Cole 45
    Vasovic 45
    Blanc 45
    Danny Mcgrain - 45
    Zebec 40
    Billy Wright 40
    Bezsonov 40
    Sergio Ramos 40
    Camacho 40
    Demyanenko 40
    Briegel 40
    Campbell 40
    Shesternyov 40
    Costacurta 40
    Hierro 40
    Hansen 40
    Marzolini 40
    Kaltz 40
    Olsen 35
    S.Reuter 35
    T.Adams 35
    Ferri 30
    Lucio 30
    Maicon 30
    Montero 30
    Perfumo 30
    Picchi 30
    Puyol 30
    Koeman 30
    S. Jardine 30
    Willy Schulz 25
    W. Zmuda 25
    Popescu 25
    Leandro 25
    Buchwald 20
    Thiago Silva 20
    Chiellini 20
    Alaba 20
    Alba 20
    Aldair 20
    Angloma 20
    Ayala 20
    Danny Blind 20
    Branco 20
    Des Walker 20
    E.Hughes 20
    Evra 20
    F.De Boer 20
    Fernando Couto 20
    G.Neville 20
    Panucci 20
    D. Petrescu 20
    Phil Neal 20
    J.Popluhar 20
    Sagnol 20
    Sergi 20
    Stuart Pearce 20
    Suurbier 20
    Tassotti 20
    Terry 20
    Walter Samuel 20
    Candela 20
    Zambrotta 20
    Ze Roberto 20
    Fernando Couto 20
    C. Gamarra 20
    Jarni 20
    Jorginho 20
    Luis Pereira 20
    Matthaus 170
    Platini 160
    Rijkaard 160
    Zico 150
    Falcao 120
    Zidane 120
    Neeskens 120
    Charlton 115
    Laudrup 100
    Didi 100
    Xavi 100
    Desailly 95
    Breitner 90
    Davids 90
    Iniesta 90
    Nedved 90
    Redondo 90
    Robson 90
    Sammer 90
    Varela 90
    Edwards 85
    Keane 85
    Bozsik 80
    Figo 80
    Luis Suarez Miramontes 80
    Masopust 80
    Rivelino 80
    Schweinsteiger 80
    Tardelli 80
    Tigana 80
    Netzer 75
    Van Hanegem 75
    Modric 70
    Monti 70
    Rivera 70
    S. Mazzola 70
    Socrates 70
    Souness 70
    Coluna 65
    Pirlo 65
    Scholes 65
    Schuster 65
    Vieira 65
    Voronin 65
    Conti 60
    Gerson 60
    Ocwirk 60
    Overath 60
    Pirri 60
    V.Mazzola 60
    Xabi Alonso 60
    Beckham 55
    J.L.Andrade 55
    Netto 55
    Stielike 55
    V.R.Andrade 55
    Veron 55
    Zito 55
    Blanchflower 50
    Bonhof 50
    Busquets 50
    Cerezo 50
    Hagi 50
    Makelele 50
    Stiles 50
    Stojkovic 50
    Vidal 50
    Kante 45
    Gerrard 45
    Ceulemans 45
    Liedholm 45
    Deschamps 45
    Seedorf 45
    Luis Enrique 40
    Dunga 40
    Ballack 40
    Effenberg 40
    Lerby 40
    Essien 40
    Hanappi 40
    Clodoaldo 40
    Boban 35
    Brady 35
    Deco 35
    Rui Costa 35
    Schiaffino 35
    Viktor 35
    Ademir Da Guia 30
    Kroos 30
    Ardiles 30
    Bochini 30
    Bremner 30
    Cueto 30
    Deyna 30
    Donadoni 30
    Gascoigne 30
    Gren 30
    Lampard 30
    Michel 30
    Rattin 30
    Ribery 30
    Antognoni 20
    R. Benetti 20
    Bonev 20
    Cambiasso 20
    Causio 20
    Cocu 20
    Fabregas 20
    Gattuso 20
    Giresse 20
    Guardiola 20
    Ince 20
    Mendieta 20
    Pires 20
    Prosinecki 20
    Riquelme 20
    Simeone 20
    Valderrama 20
    Yaya 20
    Pele 200
    Maradona 200
    Messi 190
    Ronaldo 190
    Cristiano 180
    Cruyff 180
    Di Stefano 180
    G. Muller 170
    Garrincha 160
    Van Basten 160
    Best 160
    Romario 160
    Puskas 160
    Eusebio 150
    Ronaldinho 120
    Gullit 115
    Rummenigge 105
    Dzajic 105
    R.Baggio 100
    Gento 90
    Henry 90
    Jairzinho 90
    Kocsis 90
    Meazza 90
    Stoichkov 90
    Batistuta 85
    Riva 80
    Kubala 80
    Blokhin 80
    Hamrin 80
    Law 80
    Matthews 80
    Rivaldo 80
    Seeler 80
    Boniek 75
    Czibor 75
    Moreno 75
    Cubillas 70
    Greaves 70
    Nordahl 70
    Robben 70
    Shevchenko 70
    Eto'o 65
    Spencer 65
    Villa 65
    Charles 60
    Elkjaer 60
    Finney 60
    Fontaine 60
    Giggs 60
    Johnstone 60
    Kempes 60
    Kopa 60
    Leonidas 60
    Neymar 60
    Suarez 60
    Totti 60
    Vieri 60
    Zizinho 60
    Del Piero 55
    Kaka 55
    Van Nistelrooy 55
    Weah 55
    Sarosi 50
    Tostao 50
    Crespo 50
    Hagi 50
    Hidegkuti 50
    Hugo Sanchez 50
    Keegan 50
    Lato 50
    Littbarski 50
    Pedernera 50
    Rensenbrink 50
    Savicevic 50
    Sivori 50
    Ademir Marques De Menezes 40
    Rossi 40
    Ibrahimovic 40
    Shearer 40
    Rush 40
    Erico 40
    Cantona 40
    Bergkamp 40
    Dalglish 40
    Sindelar 40
    Rooney 40
    Ghiggia 40
    Keizer 40
    Amancio 40
    Raul 40
    Corbatta 40
    Francescoli 40
    Barnes 35
    Griezmann 35
    Albert 30
    B.Laudrup 30
    Butragueno 30
    Dean 30
    Joya 30
    Julinho 30
    Klinsmann 30
    Labruna 30
    Overmars 30
    Rep 30
    Simonsen 30
    Zagallo 30
    Lubanski 25
    Aguero 20
    Boniperti 20
    Careca 20
    Corso 20
    Drogba 20
    Forlan 20
    Jair 20
    Lewandowski 20
    Lineker 20
    Litmanen 20
    Owen 20
    Papin 20
    Piola 20
    Suker 20
    T.Muller 20
    Van Persie 20

    Match Rules

    After the draft starts all games must be played within a week so the draft should take no longer than 4 weeks. If you submit a team sheet but can't engage in the match thread the game will go on anyway. In the case of nothing being provided and you don't show, you will forfeit the game. In the case of an emergency I'm sure a fellow drafter or neutral may be able to argue for you and provide a team from your squad. Just post on this main thread and ask for help.

    There shall be no subs during the game, but tactical changes are permitted.

    In the event of a draw whoever has the lowest average pick time for his squad will win. (In the event of equal pick times a coin toss will take place). When picks are made please post a picture of the player and the pick time in minutes calculated as the time between your tag and pick. Any picks from someone else as a result of a PM will always be recorded as a 10 min pick time.

    Drafters placed 1 and 16 will have their pick time divided by their number of picks where a double picks count as one pick.

    Tactics for the OP will be limited to 2500 characters to be used how the managers see fit (it may make sense then to link to player profiles in the main draft thread). If it's any longer the match starter should just cut off the OP at 2500 characters. Please spoiler gifs as it will be quicker to load and not use as much data on mobile.

    NB. In the case of having a single manager vs a duo (or anything other than single vs single) they will agree before hand who they're happy to have contribute during the game. Whatever they decide goes.

    Reinforcements

    The total increase in budget will be 60m for the QF, 70m for the SF and 80m for the final. So your budget for the QF will be 730m, for the SF it will be 800m and for the Final it will be 880m. You can also sell players.

    You can sell two players and draft one in a single turn and then draft the second player (with no sales) on your second turn. Essentially player sales are a free action. This should allow a better use of the budget.

    e.g First turn - sell van Hanagem 75 and Stielike 55. So reinforcement budget is now 75+55+60 (the extra fund per reinforcement round) = 190. So you would have 190 to spend on two players. You must however draft two players to make your squad equal 14 by the end of the round.

    Obviously you could just sell one player per pick round too (maybe because you want to see what others are up to) but it should give some more flexibility.

    For the reinforcements for the QF and SF you can have a maximum pick of two players but only one for the final.

    Players drafted from defeated managers are available as are previously undrafted players. Also players sold by drafters in the reinforcement round will be available for drafting but only in subsequent reinforcement rounds. For example, if I sell Godin in the QF reinforcement round no other drafter can pick him in that round of drafting, however he would be available to draft in the reinforcements for the SF.

    Reinforcements will be a reverse snake for QF, original snake for SF and reverse snake for the Final.

    You must always have a minimum of 14 players in your squad at all time.

    Draft Order

    1. @Theon
    2. @idmanager
    3. @Skizzo
    4. @MJJ
    5. @harms
    6. @oneniltothearsenal
    7. @Tuppet
    8. @Enigma_87
    9. @2mufc0
    10. @Moby
    11. @Ecstatic
    12. @Pat_Mustard
    13. @Physio
    14. @P-Nut0712
    15. @Šjor Bepo
    16. @Indnyc
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2018
  2. Jul 26, 2018
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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    Everyone please confirm if you can still play.

    Please can a neutral offer to do the drafting order and take the votes for the drafting award?

    Drafters:

    1. oneniltothearsenal
    2. P-Nut
    3. Idmanager
    4. Physio
    5. Indnyc
    6. Tuppet
    7. Moby
    8. Sjor/Jim Beam
    9. Enigma/joga
    10. 2mufc0
    11. MJJ
    12. Theon
    13. Pat Mustard
    14. Ecstatic
    15. Skizzo
    16. harms
  3. Jul 26, 2018
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    in like Flynn
  4. Jul 26, 2018
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    MJJ Full Member

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    think this guy is overpriced and In.
  5. Jul 26, 2018
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    Šjor Bepo Full Member

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    Team Beam IN
  6. Jul 26, 2018
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    Indnyc Full Member

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    Love the name of the draft :lol:. Also in. Thanks for setting it up @Physiocrat
  7. Jul 26, 2018
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    harms Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Staff

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    Nice, will take some time planning
  8. Jul 26, 2018
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    Joga Bonito Full Member

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    In and the list seems pretty good to me and a fairly accurate reflection of the players values.
  9. Jul 26, 2018
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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    :) Thanks
  10. Jul 26, 2018
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    Afganitia New Member

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    Casillas worth less than Cech? Surprising.
  11. Jul 26, 2018
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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    Nope, they're definitively eligible. What made you think that was the case? I can amend the OP to clear up any confusion.
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    Afganitia New Member

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    I read it badly. Now I use the search function, so I don't skip any player. Edited.

    Also, Puyol a bit underrated here.
  13. Jul 26, 2018
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    Indnyc Full Member

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    @Physiocrat is there a reason for 14 picks? In the last draft a lot of people gave up after the 12th pick. I think after the 11th pick most people will pick 10m bench fodder which may not really add to the draft. Just something to consider
  14. Jul 26, 2018
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    Afganitia New Member

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    Telmo Zarra was born in 1921 but should be
    here probably. Anyone can find a full match of him? Maybe form the 1950 world cup.
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    harms Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Staff

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    Second that
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    Pat_Mustard Full Member

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    A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
    In. Great work on the list, but am I right in saying that the likes of Moreno, Pedernera and Meazza who are included can't actually be picked unless someone unearths a video of a full match they played in?

    Also, surely I can't be the only one scouring the list for omissions and contemplating whether or not to keep them to myself for an advantage :nervous:. Only found one brilliant midfielder missing so far. I bet @Šjor Bepo will guess who I'm talking about, and will agree he should be priced at around 300m.
  17. Jul 27, 2018
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    Šjor Bepo Full Member

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    Rabona? :D
  18. Jul 27, 2018
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    Considering the budgets I am already considering several 10m players for my starting line-up so I don't think 10m players here will be fodder. Rather different tactical options.
  19. Jul 27, 2018
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    Some serious steals in those prices I reckon, Terry and Ballack for starters.
  20. Jul 27, 2018
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    Tuppet Full Member

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    In
  22. Jul 27, 2018
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    P-Nut0712 fan of well-known French footballer Fabinho

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    Yeah no need in 14 picks with budgets / restrictions. Ends up being a bore with people picking players they will never ever use.
  23. Jul 27, 2018
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    Pat_Mustard Full Member

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    A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
    Aye :D
  24. Jul 27, 2018
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    P-Nut0712 fan of well-known French footballer Fabinho

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    Kroos should be somewhere on there I'd say. Probably lower end but he deserves to be in there.
  25. Jul 27, 2018
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    Šjor Bepo Full Member

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    why are people naming undervalued players? shut up and hope nobody picks them:lol:
  26. Jul 27, 2018
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    I think we should add Diego Forlan to the list as well.
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    P-Nut0712 fan of well-known French footballer Fabinho

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    I'm playing to the spirit of the draftalso slightly hoping Physiocrat gives me a nice draw
  28. Jul 27, 2018
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    Joga Bonito Full Member

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    Reserving a reserve spot here.
  30. Jul 27, 2018
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    yes
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    In
  32. Jul 27, 2018
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    idmanager Full Member

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    Zito is missing among the top tier from what I can see
  33. Jul 27, 2018
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    These Impossible (to finish) Draft matches have gone on forever - literally longer than the World Cup. Let's prolong the draft phase and limit the match phase as much as possible for the next one to maximize fun for everyone.
  34. Jul 27, 2018
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    Not sure, considering players/strikers listed at 20, the likes of Forlan and other very good, but not great players who are on the border should be off the list. It also gives some sense in finding and picking similar players after the 11th round or even before.

    Zito, even Kroos, probably should be imo. Basically, any player whose value most people would automatically put above 20 million.
  35. Jul 27, 2018
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    Kroos is a jack of all trades so it hurts his tactical value to voters
  36. Jul 27, 2018
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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    Correct. It is to level the playing field in this all-time draft without blocking players like Matthews and Di Stefano for whom we have decent footage.
  37. Jul 27, 2018
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    Fair enough. I value him pretty high in the current crop of players, so just saying. Not high as Modric, but somewhere in 30 - 40 million range.

    Don't have any problems with him not getting on the list, though. Au contraire as Del Boy would say.
  39. Jul 27, 2018
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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    Possibly, we'll see how it pans out. Onenil reckons he'll have some 10m players in his starting XI. Also since it is essentially unrestricted all-time draft with average pick times deciding in draws it the last three picks should be pretty quick.

    How do people think picks by PM should be recorded? I have it as a standard 30mins at the moment. Anyone any thoughts on this?