Peaches and a GOAT Draft

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    Sjor asked for 5pm so I'll put it up about then
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Sure. Btw @Skizzo sent me his tactics for the game tomorrow so shoot it over PM when you are ready.
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    Will be ready hopefully before 5pm
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    Kaiser :)
    We really need some database to check who did what before jumping into the pool.
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    feck I thought I had another day before our match for some reason :lol:. I'll start my write up now. An afternoon kick off would be best for me but I'm fine with it if @oneniltothearsenal wants to start earlier.
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    earlier is not better for me so yeah afternoon for you is fine :lol:

    I won't be able to get to write up for few hours yet
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    Gio 6 times Redcafe Draft Winner

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    Sorry I have sent today the op instead of yesterday because I was KO yesterday but feel ok now to follow the games
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    Hey mate, that’s okay.

    I’m busy all this week so the day didn’t make a huge difference!
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    The same for me.

    I can't log on during the day as I have to finish some projects at work before having holidays next week hopefully.

    Physiocrat can choose the day.
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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  16. Threadmark: Reinforcement Pool for QF
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    Pre-Reinforcement QF Sides

    1. Theon - 1. D. Maradona (200) 2. G. Chiellini (20) 3. L. Bonucci (15) 4. Cafu (110) 5. A. Barzagli (15) 6. G. Batistuta (85) 7. J. Mascherano (15) 8. J. Oblak (15) 9. A. Del Piero (55) 10. B. Schweinsteiger (80) 11. M. Chagas (15) 12. Bebeto (15) 13. Caniggia (15) 14. J. Velasquez

    2. Isotope - 1. G. Best (160) 2. R. Giggs (60) 3. M. Sammer (90) 4. G. Zambrotta (20) 5. B. Charlton (115) 6. F. Albert (30) 7. R. Ayala (20) 8. D. Albertini (15) 9. C. Gentile (50) 10. S. Tacconi (15) 11. S. Pluskal (15) 12. R. Baraja (15) 13. R. Van Persie (20) 14. D. Irwin (45).

    4. MJJ /RedTiger - 1. G. Scirea (115) 2. D. Blanchflower (50) 3. C. Seedorf (45) 4. P. Vierchowod (50) 5. B. Lizarazu (50) 6. Z. Boniek (75) 7. D. McGrain (45) 8. L. Suarez (60) 9. K. Hamrin (80) 10. J. Riquelme (20) 11. H. Gregg (15) 12. W. Sneijder (15) 13. P. Pogba (15) 14. W. Shaw (15)

    5. harms - 1. Pelé (200) 2. D. Law (80) 3. D. Beckham (55) 4. P. Evra (20) 5. S. Effenberg (40) 6. N. Vidic (55) 7. S. Lerby (40) 8. V. Vasovic (45) 9. G. Neville (20) 10. R. Rensenbrink (50) 11. J. van Beveren (15) 12. G. Bale (15) 13. W. Weber (15) 14. Y. Voinov (15)

    6. onenil - 1. J. Cruyff (180) 2. Sócrates (70) 3. R. Koeman (30) 4. M. Silva (15) 5. B. Conti (60) 6. A. Vidal (50) 7. P. Maldini (130) 8. F. Ribery (30) 9. Nelinho (15) 10. C. Gamarra (20) 11. K. Sansom (15) 12. Leão (15) 13. Ze Roberto (20) 14. Dirceu (15)

    7. Tuppet - 1. A. Di Stefano (180) 2. S. Kocsis (90) 3. Z. Czibor (75) 4. B. Bremner (30) 5. T. Häßler (15) 6. D. Mackay (15) 7. L. Blanc (45) 8. Jairzinho (90) 9. Jorginho (20) 10. E. Albertosi (15) 11. B. Mcneill (15) 12. M. Bossis (50) 13. O. Bergmark (15) 14. J. Greig (15)

    13. Physiocrat - 1. R. Gullit (115) 2. P. Lahm (80) 3. P. McGrath (75) 4. U. Stielike (55) 5. W. Overath (60) 6. D. Alaba (20) 7. S. Campbell (40) 8. R. van Nistelrooy (55) 9. L. Skoglund (15) 10. S. Matthews (80) 11. F. Toldo (30) 12. M. Carrick (15) 13. D. Stankovic (15) 14. G. Signori (15)

    15. Team Beam - 1. Romario (160) 2. F. Redondo (90) 3. W. Schulz (25) 4. M. Laudrup (100) 5. O. Ruggeri (60) 6. E. Butragueno (30) 7. A. Giresse (20) 8. J. Stam (70) 9. J. Armfield (15) 10. G. Grosics (30) 11. Sergi (20) 12. J-S Park (15) 13. Gabi (15) 14. P. Crouch (15)

    Reinforcement Pool

    3. Skizzo - 1. L. Messi (190) 2. Xavi (100) 3. A. Iniesta (90) 4. P. Guardiola (20) 5. D. Alves (70) 6. J. Alba (20) 7. A. Simonsen (30) 8. L. Enrique (40) 9. Migueli (15) 10. R. Marquez (15) 11. V. Valdes (15) 12. G. Pique (15) 13. L. Giuly (15) 14. Pedro (15)

    8. Enigma/Bonito - 1. C. Ronaldo (180) 2. D. Godín (50) 3. A. Robben (70) 4. N. Gonçalves (15) 5. Careca (20) 6. R. Gordillo (15) 7. R. Carvalho (15) 8. E. Davids (90) 9. J. Neeskens (120) 10. R. Clemence (20) 11. C. Panucci (20) 12. J.Giles (15) 13. R. Pavoni (15) 14. A. Moller (15)

    9. 2mufc0 - 1. F. Beckenbauer (170) 2. P. Breitner (90) 3. M. Kaltz (40) 4. H-P Briegel (40) 5. G. Buchwald (20) 6. K-H Rummenigge (105) 7. J. Klinsmann (30) 8. K-H Forster (75) 9. H. Szymaniak (15) 10. H. Schafer (15) 11. B. Trautmann (15) 12. R.Voller (15) 13. M. Hummels (15) 14. M. Reus (15)

    10. Moby - 1. L. Ronaldo (190) 2. L. Modric (70) 3. L. Figo (80) 4. T. Kroos (30) 5. T. Henry (90) 6. A. Benarrivo (15) 7. A. Hansen (40) 8. Zito (55) 9. T. Silva (20) 10. A. Tarantini (15) 11. S. Canizares (15) 12. K. De Bruyne (15) 13. E. Hazard (15) 14. Guiseppe Baresi (15)

    11. Ecstatic - 1. M. Platini (160) 2. U. Seeler (80) 3. F. Baresi (150) 4. Rivaldo (80) 5. T. Muller (20) 6. M. Tassotti (20) 7. L. Junior (45) 8. P. Ince (20) 9. R. Bratseth (15m) 10) J. Angloma (20) 11. L. Fernandez (15) 12. A. Ramallets (15) 13. A. Haan (15) 14. Sorin (15)

    12. Pat_Mustard - 1. Marcelo (15) 2. R. Krol (95) 3. J. Heynckes (15) 4. C. Puyol (30) 5. Maicon (30) 6. E. Abidal (15) 7. W. van Hanegem (75) 8. Zico (150) 9. L. Riva (80) 10. V. Voronin (65) 11. W. Jansen (15) 12. B. Hulshoff (15) 13. H. Blankenburg (15) 14. M. Preud'homme (30)

    14. P-Nut/EAP - 1. M. Van Basten (160) 2. D. Simeone (20) 3. A. Shesternyov (40) 4. W. Sagnol (20) 5. R. Jarni (20) 6. P. Montero (30) 7. E. Cambiasso (20) 8. A. Zubizarreta (20) 9. C. Azpiliecueta (15) 10. Eusebio (150) 11. Z. Zidane (120) 12. P. Futre (15) 13. J. Rep (15) 14. Anderson

    16. Indnyc - 1. F. Puskas (160) 2. B. Robson (90) 3. A. Cole (45) 4. W. Suurbier (20) 5. Luis Suarez Miramontes (80) 6. F. Hierro (40) 7. H. Rahn (15) 8. R. Rosato (15) 9. F. Gento (90) 10. C. Makelele (50) 11. F. Barthez (15) 12. F. Collovati (15) 13. P. Aimar (15) 14. K. Benzema (15)

    You can also reinforce with any unpicked drafted players.
  17. Threadmark: QF Reinforcement Rules
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    Reinforcement Pick Order-

    1. Team Beam
    2. Physio
    3. Tuppet
    4. Onenil
    5. harms
    6. MJJ
    7. Iso
    8. Theon

    Reinforcement Rules

    Your max value of squad for the QF is now 730m so essentially that's 60m more for you, if you spend all the 670m budget in the first round.

    You can sell two players and draft one in a single turn and then draft the second player (with no sales) on your second turn. Essentially player sales are a free action. This should allow a better use of the budget.

    e.g First turn - sell van Hanagem 75 and Stielike 55. So reinforcement budget is now 75+55+60 (the extra fund per reinforcement round) = 190. So you would have 190 to spend on two players. You must however draft two players to make your squad equal 14 by the end of the round.

    Obviously you could just sell one player per pick round too (maybe because you want to see what others are up to) but it should give some more flexibility.

    Amended - For the reinforcements for you can have a maximum pick of two players per round up to a maximum of five total reinforcements I'd you reach the final.

    Players drafted from defeated managers are available as are previously undrafted players. Also players sold by drafters in the reinforcement round will be available for drafting but only in subsequent reinforcement rounds. For example, if I sell Godin in the QF reinforcement round no other drafter can pick him in that round of drafting, however he would be available to draft in the reinforcements for the SF.

    Reinforcements start tomorrow at 12pm. The only question is should I continue to add the the pick times of the reinforcements?
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    Don't see why not
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    That's what I was thinking of doing but I don't think we'd done it for reinforcement rounds before so just wanted to check consensus
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    It's gonna be on weekend. I'm leaning to not counting the time, so we can enjoy the weekend more.
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    I just realized that all 3 of my picks for best drafted team lost in the first round
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    My top pick is still there.. The other two lost :(
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    P-Nut0712 fan of well-known French footballer Fabinho

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    My 3rd pick is through, top 2 went out :lol:
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    <3
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    I've voted against my #1 and #3 :lol:
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    Physiocrat Full Member

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    Any other thoughts on counting pick times for reinforcements?
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    Gio 6 times Redcafe Draft Winner

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    We did it before in the Serie A draft. Personally I’m not a great fan of them, but I think once you’ve started it’s only fair to continue them on till the end.
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    oneniltothearsenal Arse Lover Scout

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    left pick with gio and green smiley
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    I think we'll stick with the pick times for reinforcements too. It won't make that much difference to the overall average pick time anyway.
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    Potential reinforcement rule change. You cannot draft more than 2 players in a reinforcement round and can't draft more than 5 players in total in all reinforcement rounds.

    It would give the option to place the single draft of player for the QF and SF in addition to the final. Given the way the money constraints are it would give a little more flexibility whilst keeping more than half of the starting line-up for the final originally drafted players.

    Thoughts?

    @Theon @Tuppet @Jim Beam @Šjor Bepo @harms @oneniltothearsenal @MJJ @RedTiger @Isotope
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    Not a fan of changing the rules as we go and not a fan of this rule in particular, seeing as you'll often need to sell two players to afford one (and then to sign a cheaper replacement for the second)
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    Didn't we already have this rule?

    Two for first round
    Fwo for second
    One for final?

    I don't get what has changed.
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    It basically allowed you to reinforce 2 for the QF, 1 for the SF and 2 for the Final. Or 1 2 2 rather than just the current 2 2 1
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    I understand not wanting to change the rules but I don't think it changes that much. My concern is you could have a quite a bit of cash left over as the specific players you want you can't afford then if you reach the final the single reinforcement will mean you can only reinforce once but have the means to buy the two players you always actually wanted. It's mainly about having flexible use of the budget and not having funds not used.

    I don't think this will change anyone's strategy this round as everyone will want two new players. It's mainly about the SF and Final
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    Ah i don't mind, seems a minor rule change.
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    Oh, okay. Didn't understood the rule correctly at first
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    Are you happy with how the general reinforcement rule works?

    Sales are a free action so you can sell two players and buy one on a single turn. You will though have to draft another when it comes round to you as you need to have 14 players in the squad for matches. You have a total budget for QF of 730m.
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    I think we'll go with minor rule change. The thread mark re-reinforcements has been amended
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    Yeah, it's okay.