Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by JoaquinJoaquin, Dec 22, 2017.
Pretty obvious it's still going on, I hope they get caught and docked 20 points.
Why do you think if doping is legalised people will stay within legal limits? I find that reasoning very naive. They will misuse to seek edge and advantage, which, in essence, is why people use PEDS full stop. They aren’t looking for a level playing field.
There would be no legal limits; there would be correct drug protocol that is easily accessible. Do you think players now take legal aids without their doctor's recommendation or the suggested dosing?
It has nothing to do with naivety and everything to do with knowledge of the PED industry. PEDs when dosed incorrectly are generally very dangerous; and usually less effective due to side effects. It is within the interest of the player to dose correctly or face an early death. Doctors would lose their license if they overdosed their patients.
This idea that athletes would go out of control if they were legalized makes no sense; because they are already doing PEDs. Legalizing PEDs will not increase PED usage substantially because it is already widespread. What it will do is create a safer environment for users.
The environment will barely be safer, they are already dosed by qualified doctors that have access to their medical files (ECG etc) and with pharmaceutical grade drugs. The culture of taking extra risk to gain edge will continue to exist in the same way it does already.
That's the defence argument that Dr Fuentes used in the Puerto case.
The thing is, football is played in multiple countries, at multiple levels and players are selected as potential professionals very young. However good the doctors a top PL club can hire, you're creating a kind of arms race in which the next group keep testing the limits.
The PL promotion playoff is reckons to be the most valuable game in football. For a 15 year old kid, that bit of extra muscle or power could be the difference between a contract at 16 and nothing. People take risks. Legalising to protect athletes at the top, just endangers every other level below them.
So in your ideal world there is an incredibly effective and stringent testing regime to ensure that athletes are only using permitted amounts of PEDs?
And that those drugs don't have side-effects ten or twenty years later, long after that doctor has last seen them.
Pretty sure Ederson was doped today, Stones too.
Except, only top athletes will have access to the best treatment at the moment. If you do not have an over the table process, you need the right connections to get the best quality treatment.
Malpractice isnt found out through testing and there would be no legal limits. Malpractice is based on the doctor's responsibility to the patients health. Unless you are in treatment 24/7 you arent going to get tested for anything; it's when someone gets hurt that malpractice is found out.
Someone dies of a heart attack and is found out to have been given something despite a pre existing condition = malpractice.
There is something like this already in american football. Where promising young players take things that they do not have knowledge of because theyre told it will give them an edge. Only when they make it big do they get a better understanding of the process.
I think an over the table process would allow them to make a more educated decision, and of course their parents would actually be more educated to make the decision.
There’s also a french (I think) documentary that’s called ”The race to dope”. Cougat is interviewed in it and you wouldn’t believe how many signed photos of the prime Barca team he has on the wall.
Thinking that doping in football is only related to teams managed by Pep(ds) is naive. Nor is it only related to Russian athletes in other sports.
Besides the two documentaries "The race to dope" and "icarus", this interview with a former drug provider is an interesting read: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...s-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
Personally i think that doping in sports are correlated to the amount of money involved in the sport, and that among top clubs PED is used on a wide scale. And the system for testing and the amount of testing performed on athletes are far to low: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/anti-doping/testing-programme
Around 2000 test performed for the whole of PL during a season with 25*20=500 players. On average 4 test during a season on each player(and one can assume that most of the tests are performed right after matches), and not allowed to test when "injured"(Re: Players always gets injured right after signing for Barcelona strangely enough). And if a player is not present during testing then the club gets a 50 000£ fine.
Benefits of doing PED(especially drugs that help you train harder and more) far outweigh the risk of getting caught(assuming that there is a risk at all).
That sounds a bit too simplistic to cover all the angles. Going by Perarnau's books on Guardiola, the fallout was also caused because of issues such as not having a direct 'clinic' within the training complex, the doctor not travelling with the team etc. Not to mention that Müller-Wohlfahrt himself is as much a nutjob as Pep, so a little bit of hysteria was always on the cards.
I care if only a few are doing it and others aren't.
Imagine the state of this thread if a player had missed a drugs test on the same day he signed for City
I think most of us would have understood the reason behind that. Its ridiculous that a player is asked to provide samples in the middle of his transfer saga. You can definitely postpone it by a day or maybe even a week after the winter window closes
or we could talk about the Jesus 'miracle' recovery that some say stopped your pursuit in Sanchez
What about the threads about City breaching the same rules as Arsenal wrt Sanchez?
Lucky we don't have a manager who has a murky history of doping following him around.
Also helps that it was Arsenal breaking the doping rules, though not to the extent that City have in recent times.
Well, tbf, Alexis did play for Pep so clearly there is a credible link based on the fact filled thread
Nobody would give a shit
Not to mention a blood sample was taken during his medical the same day.
Then there would be a bump in said players thread on the matter, surely? Nice of you to think of Pep when a players misses a drugs test though
I'd say there would be 17 new pages in under an hour.
Yeah but for City with 3 players missing a drugs test you only get a £35k fine while with one player missing a drugs test for Man Utd he's banned for 8 months.
Why would that be? On another note how did Dubai get the world cup? It must be good to have a owner who is prepared to bribe officials.
Which reminds me of this article. City players missed tests 3 times in 5 months under Pep.
PS. The World Cup is going to Qatar.
Edit and I've had a few so facts are not going to be my strong point from now on tonight.
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No 'miracles' involved, I'm afraid.
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Pep confirms Gabriel Jesus still out for another 3-4 weeks. Not good going for an alleged doper given that was basically the initial prognosis when he received the injury at the end of December.
Drugs don't work they just make you worse
To be fair, only a United fan would come out with such a ridiculous thought!
(Obviously Mr Cugat injected the wrong one into Gabriel.)
You know very well that the illegal drugs help with muscle injuries, not ligament injuries. Blood oil money won't save knees miraculously.
At least the window is shut soon so Pep can’t throw £150m at Dybala for cover.
Been a lot of reports now in Swedish media regarding doping in skiing. Just like you see around football many people involved want to remove evidence and keep things silent like we did see in Spain with the big doping scandal. Certainly many teams may be involved with using drugs and doping to get ahead.
Regarding who does what it is very difficult to say as none of us are experts, but when you deny clear evidence and try to hide them and you know that something is fishy for sure. This type of resistance and hide things we have seen a lot in football before. FIFA as corrupt as it is will not do anything against the doping as it could damage the reputation. If they allow Qatar to host the world cup they sure as hell will not dig into doping.
Sane back a training after almost dying 2 weeks ago against cardiff
I always get excited when this thread gets bumped up, because I directly assume one of our injured players is back!
Yep. Sane injured so bad you almost spent 50mil on mahrez, but he's been pictured training
Your first port of call for City news is a United forum?
Weird you'd come to a United forum for City related news.
Tried to be cheeky there.
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