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    Siorac Full Member

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    Last three years, probably - but it's still only three games. And we've got a long way to go before matching the football between 06-08.
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    Someone who gets excited by watching his team play beautiful football is 'seeing things for what they are'. Had someone said we'll win the league by 20 points on the basis of those two games, that would be closer to what you're on about.
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    It's the modern football fan. fickle.

    Everybody wanted perspective after we were schooled by Barcelona in the CL final, why not look for perspective when we do the same to another team?
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    Yes, you're realistic, you can see it clearly, you're just being rational - that's usually what people say when they're being negative and they're just trying to add some credence to it. It's very funny. People were 'being realistic' last year when they said that Chelsea were going to win the league. What you see as being realistic - e.g. this - I'd probably see as pessimistic.

    It's not for you to judge whether you're 'seeing things for what they are', you're biased. What kind of things have you read that have given the impression people are getting so carried away?
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    But this team played beautiful football for about 45 minutes out of 180 in the league so far. That's why a bit of caution is understandable: we have a long way to go. Many people will be very disappointed and surprised if Arsenal punish us for the same mediocre football that we played for the first 60 minutes against Spurs.
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    amolbhatia100 Barbiturates ain't got nothin' on me

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    Why would that happen? I'm elated at what I've been seeing of late. Hopefully it's a sign of United's football this season. I'm not expecting it every match.

    More importantly, every team has an identity. A way of football it plays. And I'm finding the team this year seems to be playing a bit differently. And I like it.
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    I think everybody is biased in a way so yes I will give you that, I didn't once say that we were rubbish, or even implied that we didnt play well last night. I was one who also stayed up a few hours last night to read and enjoy the posts about how good we were against Spurs, but then you start reading about how they compare to the "fledglings", and we dont need re-inforcements in the midfield anymore how Cleverly might be the replacement for Scholes, and how Jones will be the future captain etc... I wont go through the posts of last night, but I know where some people's head were.
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    Not been here long then! :lol:
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    The game was nothing special until Welbeck pulled the rabbit out of the hat. But....At least this season win lose or draw....Fergie is going all out to play the exciting football that we all crave. Its been missing for a year or two!
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    I think people are overstating how poor Spurs were last night. They played OK for about an hour. They have experienced Premiership professionals and internationals in their team and a wiley old Manager in Dodgy Harry. They didn't create much because our young defenders played well. They eventually lost because they couldn't live with the pace and talent of our young attackers. They didn't lie down and roll over. They got beat, fair and square. Not every other top six team would have beaten them last night. So credit where it's due to the players - without going over the top.
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    You think it's getting carried away to talk about Jones as future captain? I'd happily have a bet with you on that, he'd shown genuine leadership qualities from before he'd even played for us. I don't think it's getting carried away to have belief in our young midfielders to step up when we need them, few had faith in Anderson to do it this season (mostly just faint hope) and considerably fewer had faith in Cleverley to do so - it's nice to see they're giving signs that they can. Join in the fun. Have some faith. Get behind the young lads.

    Nah, I don't see why you want to play down excitement. There's obvious reasons to play down negativity, though. I can understand not getting carried away yourself, but beyond that it doesn't make much sense to me.
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    Oh, I love the style we're aspiring to reach but there's a long way to go. People are suddenly convinced that Cleverley will have a wonderful season as a key player, even though he was outplayed by Kranjcar and Livermore for 60 minutes (he attempted a total of 14 passes in the first half...). The ability is there but we shouldn't burden these youngsters with such expectations on the back of some decent football.
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    That's just rubbish. I reckon they'd have beaten Liverpool and Arsenal playing the way they played last night. They didn't look much because our defenders played so well and there was no way through for them. Did you watch the game at Old Trafford or on the box? You can't see how well the defence was organised on the box. The only ridiculously poor thing Spurs did last night was all those long range attempts, especially from the half way line!
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    I thought this too but I now know better. Man Utd haven't beaten a single decent team this season. Everyone we beat we beat out of luck for one reason or another... :rolleyes:
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    yup
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    But that's just crazy, if anything Arsenal are weaker than Spurs at the moment! I expected a difficult game last night, and they gave us one... expect the same against Arsenal
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    Yes, I am the type who go quiet when we only 1 up, hoping that we will score again so that I can start celebrating for real. thats how I feel now. 1-up only. once we start playing this football more regularly even on a cold week night at the reebock staduim, then yes I would probably start believing.
    I do believe in our youngsters and I do believe we should give them a chance, and I hope the posters of last night will stick up for Tom and Danny and Phil when they have bad games too.
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    I hope to be wrong on this one really. Spurs were okay for a premiership team, but they would not have won at anfield, eastlands, stamford bridge, goodison park. they could have drawn against arsenal, fullham and mybe even sunderland. thats it.
    they lost their legs at 60 minutes. I'm sure you saw this as well.
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    That's what most everyone thinks here - that they see things for what they are and their opinion/view on things is one based in complete reason and objectivity.

    Spurs were hardly average yesterday, they had some good passages of play when you compare most teams that come to OT that hardly get a sniff and they defended well enough. But, we were able to at the end make them look average because of how well we played in the end.
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    Striker10 "Ronaldo and trophies > Manchester United football

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    Sir Alex has talked about not needing anyone else...It was not a weak spurs team. They're only guilty of taking the piss with De Gea and long shots. They played well for over 60 minutes. There will be sterner tests but if this is about not signing anyone else, we're strong. The kids will only get better because they have the character and desire and the quality to do well
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    I wonder what would have happened if they played well against us for the entire 90 minutes?
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    I suspect the main reason they did not play well against for the entire 90 minutes was because we did not let them. Did you not see the possession stats?
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    We also outplayed and hammered City 3-0 in the second half of the Community Shield. I'd say it's very okay to be excited.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    We'll never know because - as is usually the case at OT - we tired the opposition out and put them to the sword in the last quarter of the game. 18 home wins in a row now. The pattern's easy enough to spot at this point.
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    Take possession stats to an Arsenal fan and see what he thinks of it.

    so did we get better in the last 30 minutes or did they get tired? either way we played good football but only at a time when they were knackered.
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    I did take it to an Arsenal fan and he was quite impressed with it! In fact he was quite impressed the possession stats as generally the case with us also lead to goals as we saw 3 of them in the last 30 minutes.

    I would say our young players got better in the last half hour. Welbeck's header was a catalyst for some and Spurs may have gotten tired but a lot of sides that come to Old Trafford do.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    ... and they are lovely beyond any singing of it.
    Spurs were better than you in CM for about an hour despite starting with Kranjcar and Livermore and the team carrying two passengers in Defoe and Bale. They did the usual Spurs collapso at OT when the first goal went in.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    We definitely got better, I said in the match thread that in the first half at times we looked great at times we looked poor. Second half we slowly turned it on. It was the 3rd proper game of the season and playing with a completely different spine. Usually we can get away with chopping and changing anything but the spine but as soon as we mess with that we get destroyed.

    So I'm very happy. No Vidic, no Ferdinand, no Giggs, no Carrick, no Scholes, no Fletcher. No VDS. United 3 Tottenham 0. 19 hope wins in a row (is that right). Perfect start to the season.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Why do you think they tired and we didn't?
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    Bloxy Why does it always rain on me?

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    I see where you going with this, but Kranscar and Livemore were just not up to the job, so they worked their socks off to stay in the game.
    different if Modric and Sandros or maybe Palacios were playing, or even Pienaar. they had their 4th and 5th choice midfielders out there.
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    There's this tendency from our own fans that says we're not as good as we are even though we've done really well in the league and CL since we won the league in 06/07.
    4 out of 5 times we won the league.
    3 out of 5 times got to the CL final and won it once?

    :houllier:
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    It's because they started to chase the game, Wellbeck's goal was the key.
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    The thing you are forgetting is Fergie is pretty excited about this young group.

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    Our young lads have played three times this season, and won all three games. Playing fast, attractive, exciting football. Young players are making names for themselves, while the new signings are settling right in.

    Losing 2-0 to City, the young lads thrown on at HT and we end up scoring 3 goals to win the game. Away to West Brom, and given our away form last season you could forgive yourself for fearing the worst when West Brom equalised to make it 1-1, but we overcame that and won the game. Last night against Spurs, fair enough they were without players.....but so were we. We were without our first choice centre-backs. We played some lovely football in the 2nd half, and won the game comfortably in the end with local lad, 20 year old Danny Welbeck the star of the show.

    And you ask why some people are getting excited?
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    If there's this gaping hole in midfield that's been there since forever, you would think SAF would do something about it. But he did that a few seasons ago by brining in Ando. And now we're starting to see why. Of course the midfield could do with an upgrade/another good body, but it's not as shit as every doom mongers are making it out to be.
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    Rio, Vida, Rafael, Valencia, Park, Giggs, Carrick, Fletcher, Berbatov, Hernandez.. all didnt get into the starting line up.
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    Name one over the top thing said Bloxy.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    I know people keep saying Lindegaard but if you include VDS that is a Top 2 team.

    VDS
    Valencia - Rio - Vida - Rafael
    Fletcher - Carrick - Giggs - Park
    Berbatov - Hernandez​

    Maybe Fletcher and Valencia should swap places.
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    very pleasing to be back in a packed OT, with a decent atmosphere last night, but yes, perspective is needed, its only 2 games and the reaction is a bit OTT.

    we are only one injury away from a problem in CM and trust me, this is going to happen. alot of positives so far, our great pre season has seen us start well, but look at the fixtures we have coming up..

    arsenal
    bolton
    chelsea
    stoke
    norwich
    liverpool
    city

    all coming up pretty quickly. lets see how good we are then.

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