Peter Schmeichel: United regret we didn't give David Moyes more time

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    Exactly! If he showed humility and admitted to his failures, he would have a much easier life. Likely he would be forgiven, he would show that he learns from mistakes and demand for his service would increase.
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    Yep, similar qualities that Tony Pulis or Sam Allardyce have. Better than 99% of managers right there, but nowhere good enough for a big club.
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    He's 100% right, we should have given David Moyes more time.
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    A lot of that coaching experience went out the door due to Moyes sacking them. He made many bad decisions like that because he was a bad manager. He wasn't able to cope with pretty much any aspect of the United job because he was a bad manager.

    No amount of time would have changed that

    Moyes would have built more shit and thats about it, we're lucky someone at the club decided to pull the trigger on Moyes when they did. If anything they waited too long, and this season shows what a positive manager can do.

    Say what you want about Van Gaal and i have particularly his poor transfers. But he qualified for the CL and won an FA Cup. Moyes wouldn't have did either of those things.

    Much like Mourinho this season Moyes had lost the players and lost the plot. No amount of time was going to turn that around. And it's not like Moyes has went onto other jobs and shown himself to be a great manager who was just unlucky, he's been shit at Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham too.

    Whether the Everton job was a fluke or a perfect storm/lucky timing/right man-right place-right time or whatever. He hasn't been able to replicate that at another club because he's just not a good manager.
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    Whether we broke Moyes or not I dont know but given his managerial career post United it's hard to see any reality in which not sacking him results in a good decision by the club
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    Good post. Moyes ever being good enough for us is a fallacy. His record in the big matches, his trophyless years with everton show that.

    And I wish our ex players would shut up about it as Moyes has shown his incompetence at other jobs as well.

    https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/12/01/should-moyes-awful-record-against-top-6-worry-west-ham-fans/

    He was a manager at Everton for 11 years and failed to beat the top 4 even once. It puzzles me why he was even chosen to manage us.
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    100% agreed. I think if he had a summer transfer window where he could have improved our team by getting the likes of Jagielka, Cahill, Osman and Pienaar, we would be challenging for a title now. League 1 of course.
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    All big clubs are not alike though in their philosophy, environment and expectations. I am also inclined to believe Big Sam could be a big hit given a chance at a club that suits him.
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    A lot of people tend to forget the job LVG did in stripping out the deadwood. He moved on about 11 players that weren't united standard or way past their best. Moyes was giving them extended contracts. We needed LVG straight after SAF. Moyes was a yes man and Fergie was the puppet master.
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    You forgot one key player to complete this team. Baines. World class left back we chased all summer to replace the amateur Evra. ;)
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    The biggest problem though is that he replaced deadwood with more deadwood.
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    Okay, that's it. Our ex players (Ole and several others not included) can shove their bollocks up their arses.

    They're all middle-aged (or old) men making a living out of media spot light these days. Not a fan, not a professional either, just a bunch of gobshites with their own agendas.
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    Ah right, how could I forget him :(
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    "My captain will always play". :mad:

    Okay. This thread is giving me PTSD. I'm going to bow out now.
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    I think so.
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    This

    His subsequent experience bares this out. At te end of the day he didn't make Everton a worse side but he certainly didn't make them any better for all his years in charge.
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    I disagree, Daley Blind is Ajax captain and one of their best players this season. Memphis Depay is smashing it at Lyon. We let them go, but kept Young and Valencia? Makes no sense. Herrera was a good signing, and Martial, and he promoted Rashford and Lingard to the first team. Yes, he took a punt on Falcao, and Di Maria, but you would hardly call them deadwood players.
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    In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.

    Giving him the job was worse then SAF retiring. Moyes came in with an impressive (for all the wrong reasons) record of 0 wins in 40+ matches away to Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and United. He played negative boring football at Everton that was his style of play that was never going to change because he became the manager of Manchester United. Unless we ended up with one of the best managers in the world, it needed to be a minimalist some who came in let the club run as it was, keep Mike Phelan as the assistant.
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    Another year for what? to break his own record of number of crosses?
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    What are we discussing here? To give Moysey a chance of redemption in summer 2019? He is available, so....
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    I remember the Moyes season only to well it still sends shivers down my spine it was total utter failure from day 1 in every way possible he lost the players and the fans and there was no way back!

    Continuing would have probably led to riots! The grim reaper at the game!

    As dark as LVG and Mourinho where, that humiliation was just well.. numbing!

    The latter 2 provided some entertainment from time to time with Moyes we where beat before we where on the pitch. Mou’s 3rd season was awful and he’s been deservedly removed but the days of Moyes where soul destroying!

    Toast to better times ahead
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    fecking Moyes, he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place and should have been sacked in November, anyway.
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    That was bloody hilarious though.
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    Who is David Moyes?
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    Good times, good times. From all these 100 or so crosses the closest we came to scoring a goal was when they nearly scored an own goal (1:28)...
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    Nah we were fecking awful and the players hated him. He should have brought 1-2 backroom members with him but left the core coaching team in place.

    To be honest we were also fecking clueless in the transfer market that summer and Fellaini proved that, he had a cheap buyout that we didn’t trigger then weeks later ended up paying a higher fee. We also chased Fabregas all summer long when anybody could see a deal was almost impossible.

    A lot of things didn’t go right but David Moyes is a terrible manager, it would have just gotten worse.

    Imagine the cringe on Rio and Vidic face when he’s showing them videos of Jagielka.
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    And Solskjær has won it!
    I don't think thats a fair comparison at all to be fair. When your predecessor gets sacked because of failure then theres a good chance that some or all of his coaching staff are just as culpable for that failure. So it makes sense to replace all or most of them with your own people.

    When faced with the very, very rare scenario where your predecessor was the greatest manager of all time and and left of his own volition after 25+ years of unprecedented success Then you don't replace his entire vastly experienced and successful coaching staff with Evertons.
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    He also said that Solskjaer is getting good results because he has nothing to lose. Make of it what you will.

    He is wrong, so so wrong about Moyes growing into the job. There was nothing in him that provided the clue that he was upto the task. He just was an awful appointment. Chancer. I wonder what he is doing these days.
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    :lol::lol:
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    I really can't believe anyone truly believes that Moyes didn't get enough time. United made a huge deal about supporting the manager and being "different" from other clubs. Fans giving him a standing ovation for turning champions into a laughing stock, the club giving him a 6 year contract and Fergie's speech. Sacking Moyes was a huge embarrassment for the powers that be at United.

    Sacking him was the last thing Woody would have wanted. It made him look an idiot which didn't take much after the previous summer transfer window.

    But, Moyes was just so bad and the job he did was so disastrous that they couldn't allow him to start rebuilding the squad. It's when you realise you've made a terrible mistake and, although kicking him out will make you look foolish, the alternative is just too terrible to contemplate.
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    Schmeichel's 56 this year, looks awesome. He's wrong about Moyes though. After the Moyes 2 - 2 against Fulham I spent the next week walking round with a cosh waiting for a ginger haired Scotsman to start on me.
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    In what aspect. Moyes was hired as our manager before Woody became executive chairman, and he had nothing to do with Moyes' hiring. How it did make him an idiot by sacking Moyes?
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    True, and how we've come to rue that missed opportunity. How were we to know that Moyes would bounce straight back in Spain, winning the league with Sociedad and going on to be appointed as the new manager of Real Madrid. We can only dream of the countless European and domestic trophies he's won since leaving us, we should be thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed by our itchy trigger finger...
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    That was the game that broke me. I was in the camp of 'give him time, support the manager', then I was all rage after that game.
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    :nono: Solskjaer is definitely Fergie's doing.
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    And Solskjær has won it!
    Indeed but for me the most damning statistic from Moyes reign is the fact he only managed 2 scrappy wins vs teams in the entire top 10 that season.

    Think about that for a second, that would be poor for any manager of almost any team but this guy was managing the runaway champions from the year before.

    Two wins.
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    He should have been given less time, as in not one second of time at the club. The moment when we went on tour and he said 'wow' when he realised how big the club was, Woody should have come up behind him and handed him his P45 there and then.
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    I'd love to watch it but Richard Keyes is a prick.
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    Top red Cartwheel Schmeichel. He can feck right off.