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Players gesturing for offsides...

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by kouroux, Mar 5, 2018.

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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Why do they do it ? Why not just wait for the ref to whistle and keep focusing on defending ? Smalling was so guilty of this for their 2nd goal and he kept blaming the lino even after they scored. Is "playing until the whistle is blown" a foreign concept ?
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    Rifer Full Member

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    So annoying, stop the player first, play to the whistle. Frickin stop playing with the ref and linesman. Do the job first and then consult the officials.
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    Ainu Full Member

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    Lingard was guilty of this a couple of times in the second half. Literally stopped playing just to shout and gesture at the referee. Seriously annoyed me. You're not going to change the ref's mind so keep playing!

    Late edit: slightly misread the thread, in his case it was for handball.
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    Rightnr Full Member

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    Our defenders really are guilty of this time and time again. I hope Mourinho mention this in no uncertain terms. Play to the whistle.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    If before it never had a real impact, tonight we conceded a goal because of it. Hopefully this will get adressed but it seems such a bad habit to shake off.
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    eat_grass Full Member

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    They're trying to con (or convince) the linesman into calling the offside. Refs look at a player's reaction to help them make some close-call decisions that they didn't see too well, and the players play to that. It can backfire sometimes, though.
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    Fabian Barthez likes this thread
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    R.N7 Such tagline. Wow!

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    Have you guys actually played football?
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    haram Full Member

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    It's kind of instinct to call for a decision.
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    Chipper Full Member

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    Smalling was dead in the water on their 2nd goal. It was the only thing he could possibly do to influence anything at that point.

    It shouldn't get to that point in the first place and it's bad t but if it does then might as well.

    It's also an ego thing or coping mechanism to an extent and human nature. If you know you've messed up then go ahead and appeal for a decision or act like it's a possible officiating mistake. Can help certain personality types deal with what happened. Smalling is obiviously no Rio Ferdinand, but on the rare occassion Rio made a bad mistake he'd yell at teammates which I see as a similar reflex.
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    Red_toad Full Member

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    Didn't you know the Caf is full ex pro's and managers?...

    Don't think I've ever seen a defence just play to the whistle ever.
    But you'd think it was only Smalling who ever does with some of the comments on here. It's really tedious how much stick our defenders come in for, they've been pretty solid all season and yes there are a few individual errors every now and then, but every player makes errors, as they're not machines.
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    Harry190 Full Member

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    This is a systematic problem at Manchester United. Not just for offsides, for almost every call. They lift their hands and stop playing.
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    Giggs86 Full Member

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    No one could've done it better than Fabien the clown.

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    Crashoutcassius Full Member

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    Lingard and smalling did something quick make a thread
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    ReallyUSA New Member

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    If they get out of play it helps force the ref's hand. Ref wasn't hearing it, and a goal was had.
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    Exactly, Pretty much every goal scored where the call is close will have the defensive players with an arm up. It’s a natural instinct and is often influential.

    This thread is a knee jerk response to what was a particularly bad incident last night
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    It's instinctive. Do you sit silently in front of the TV when you watch a game or do you sometimes yell at the ref or throw your hands up when your player gets fouled?

    Smalling did play until the whistle but he had already lost van Aanholt because he didn't pay close enough attention before the free kick was taken.
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    meamth Full Member

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    What is Caf without the knee jerk response threads? :lol:

    Let's just enjoy their frustrations.
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    roonster09 Full Member

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    Exactly. Offside is not like foul where you have to appeal and put some pressure on refs, they are flagged anyways, just play to the whistle and get on with the jobs. It's annoying when players do it even when they are chasing a player who is clear on goal.

    Edit: This is true for all the players, not just ManUtd.
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    meamth Full Member

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    But the timing of this thread. That's what matters!
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    We didn't concede a goal for it at all. Smalling wasn't getting close to PVA, arm in the air or not.
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    MadDogg Full Member

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    We didn't concede because of it. Smalling wouldn't have been able to get back in time to stop van Aanholt. He certainly should have still got back faster in case van Aanholt slowed down or if De Gea had managed to block the shot, but with the attacker racing forward and just slotting it in the back of the net there was no chance of Smalling stopping that.

    van Aanholt was Valencia's man, not Smalling's. Valencia was right beside him and instead of following him back he just randomly decided to run central to try to actually block the freekick being taken. The freekick was then taken too quickly for any of our other defenders to react to Valencia's stupid decision making.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    So it's okay for van Aanholt to just run past a sleeping Smalling because he was "Valencia's man"? You know he's the full back, it wasn't a man-marking scenario. Matic fouled their player, argued with the ref about it and Palace took the free kick quickly whilst United players didn't respond quick enough to van Aanholt's run. It's not ok for the CB to have a player run with the ball uncontested right through his area.
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    Smithy_123 New Member

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    Instinct and to put pressure on the linesman.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    The pro side is that it can influence linesmen in order to make an offside call when it's not even offside. The con side is that it backfires.
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    Fully agreed! Just like the thread about players turning their backs sometimes on shots at them, which is another instinctive thing to do. The intense desire to nitpick and criticise players for standard human things is getting annoying here.

    I also think Smalling (and a couple of others) can do no right in some people's eyes.
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    Heath.1967 New Member

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    it really helps, and it does give pressure to the linesman to decide the offside. And also it's instinct.
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    Right through his area? van Aanholt didn't run through Smalling's area. He came from the outside with Valencia. Smalling had almost no time to react from the moment that Valencia inexplicably left his man, so to be there he would have had to come charging out wide (leaving his own position) before Valencia left him. That in itself would have been a stupid decision as there was another attacker in the centre who was not only in front of Lindelof but was pointing to where he wanted the freekick played in front of him where he would have had a run at goal. Smalling had no reason to favour one of those attackers over the other, so he was (rightfully) positioned in the middle between them. Valencia had one, Lindelof had one, Smalling in between. Exactly how it should have been. He had no way of knowing Valencia was going to have a brain fart.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    He ran directly past Smalling, right through the middle. Smalling could have reacted by starting to run when he saw van Aanholt running. He didn't because he wasn't paying attention. Valencia wasn't either but Valencia was further away from van Aanholt, Smalling had many meters on him.

    Can't call van Aanholt "Valencia's man". van Aanholt is a left back and he was smart there, read the situation and acted on it and lucky for him the Palace man standing over the ball was also paying attention. None of the United players were because if they were then Smalling would have stood in the way instead of doing nothing but being reactive and late.

    The key reason why Smalling gets the biggest fault from me along with Matic is that he was in the right position to stop it when the free kick was about to be taken.
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    MikeKing Full Member

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    You said it. He had to hold his position, for him to intercept a possible easy pass to Sørloth who was central and in a more dangerous position than Aanholt. That 2 striker setup really gave us problems.

    Looked like he was asleep but if he actually had done as you said, the pass would have went to Sørloth in the middle. If you watch the replay again, you'll see.

    Anyways, a really terrible goal to concede but I haven't noticed it if the team is gesturing for offsides too much. Its a reaction as people have said, and completely normal. Should play to the whistle tho. We seem too relaxed sometimes in certain situations, don't know what it is.
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    MadDogg Full Member

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    With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? That post is a trainwreck from start to finish.

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    Your first claim:

    Does that look like he ran directly past Smalling, right through the middle? And that Smalling was closer to him than Valencia?

    Your second claim:

    If Smalling had come charging in to try to stop the quick freekick, it would have been an act of utter stupidity as it would have left huge free space there if they took it before he got there. Which is exactly what did happen when Valencia attempted to do it. Sure you attempt to stop it if you can, but none of the defenders were close to being in a suitable position to do so in that situation.

    Also note in those images the attacker in the centre that was in a good position for the ball to be played ahead of him as well, and was pointing that he wanted the ball played there. If Smalling had for some reason come over to double mark van Aanholt (as far as he, or anybody else, was concerned Valencia already had him), it would have left a huge amount of space for that central attacker to run into right through the centre.

    The only thing that Smalling was guilty of was claiming for offside and being slow to get back. If van Aanholt had slowed down, or if De Gea had managed to block the first shot, Smalling being slow to get back may have cost us. That didn't happen, but Smalling should be reacting in case it does.
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    rampo Full Member

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    To be fair to Lingard, he is an attacker and that is how they are tuned
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    Grib Full Member

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    Indeed, what is actually annoying is when people don't call for everything
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    It's usually a last resort be players isn't it when a goal goes in. Wierd thought process but they seem to think stick their hand up will mean the lines person suddenly deciding it was offside.

    My favourite is when you watch a replay, striker is onside and the player who's actually dead level with said striker and comfortably playing him onside and is looking across to see that still sticks his hand up.:lol:
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    Trizy Full Member

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    Yup, play defense myself and it's just a reaction for frees and offsides.

    What really annoys me is some people call it and just stop playing. If the ref doesn't spot it/give it then you're fecked. PLAY THE feckING WHISTLE! :mad:
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    I agree you need players appealing for stuff and that it is indeed an instinctive reaction that would be very difficult to coach out of a group. However I'd like to see our players cutting out stopping dead to remonstrate with their arms in the air. If the whistle hasn't sounded to stop play they still have a job to do, so they should keep themselves in a position to do that job instead of throwing themselves entirely onto the mercy of the officials.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    I can't find the article but apparently mass appealing does work.
    It signals to the official that he has a decision to make rather than being allowed to bottle certain decisions on the sly.
    You see it with Barca when they swarm the ref after every niggling foul. How many nothing bookings happened because the ref feels he has to balance out decisions?
    The same applies for offsides.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Valencia is behind him, Smalling is between him and goal. He obviously ran right past him, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten into the box with the ball through the middle. Smalling only needed to see him run, anticipate him if you will but he didn't because he wasn't paying attention.

    Your post isnt showing anything contrary to what I've said.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Well no, the free kick taker took it quick because he saw van Anholt's run he's not looking at Sorloth. He has to turn to make that pass. If he had it looks like Sorloth was offside anyways and also he's not nearly as quick as van Aanholt.
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    And you said Smalling should leave his position immediately when Van Aanholt started running, so he could catch him. The only thing Schlupp would have to do then is fake the pass to Aanholt (which is easy), and instead pass it into the big open area Smalling just left in the middle. Which is the area where Sørloth is. That pass would've put him clean through straight in front of the goal. And i think it kinda looks like maybe Young is the one who is keeping him onside.