Pochettino on diving: football is about trying to trick your opponent

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    Red Star One Full Member

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    Deserves its own thread I guess, I'm quite outraged.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...le-alli-diving-killing-the-game-a8197946.html

    So, is cheating part of the game? Would Poch defend corrupted officials and match-fixing too, since it used to be (and to some extent still is) a part of the game back in the day?

    Ridiculous comment.
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    Bastian Full Member

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    I get it with the cheating (diving etc.) part of South American football, so I wouldn't expect something different from him. But the nastiness he refers to in Alli, that's not something to defend. Nothing wrong with a player who loves to tackle, but Alli is just dirty. He'll get done by one of those refs in the World Cup. And Poch probably encourages it greatly, because they are such a dirty side.
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    breakout67 Full Member

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    Atleast he's honest about it. Can't say the same for Paypaldiola who thinks he is the inventor of football while coaching his players to dive and foul cynically.
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    FujiVice Full Member

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    Way to truthful for his own good there. We all know managers encourage it, but he probably should keep it to himself.
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    yumtum DUX' bumchum

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    Wonder if this will make refs open their eyes to his side's constant fouling.
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    Shane88 Actually Nostradamus

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    Hope they get fecked over big time by refs now and he would have no-one but himself to blame.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    RAWK would be fun to read after they read this
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    Ban Full Member

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    Stupid comments.
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Gotta backfire surely?
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    Djemba-Djemba Full Member

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    Announcing that cheating is part of your tactics is simply a moronic thing to do.

    Hopefully this backfires on them. So stupid :lol:
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    Jazz Full Member

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    Another reason for me to dislike him.

    I wonder if he'd still defend Ali if he gets a red card against Juve and it cost them a place in the next round of the CL...
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    Oo0AahCantona Full Member

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    He’s managed to be wrong about everything he’s said there. Well done.
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    Ødegaard formerly MrEriksen Scout

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    Cheating is a part of the game. A shit part that should be kicked out of the game.
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    Jagga7 Full Member Scouse Lover

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    Diving needs to be completely outlawed. It's this sort of thinking which encourages it. It's pathetic.
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    Billy Blaggs Flacco of the Blaggs tribe

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    Pretty stupid of him to come out and say it.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    He cannot now complain if Spurs get fewer decisions due to this. He is an idiot for saying this
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    Sylar Full Member

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    Trying to go against the whole outraged part, but there are several levels of cheating or 'bending the rules' that happen in football. Hes right about football in terms of players (within the game) using every advantage. Whether its diving, pulling somebodys shirt, claiming a corner when it clearly comes of yourself, or even taking a few steps forward when trying to take a throw-in or defending a set piece. All these are acts of dishonesty.

    Its funny hearing him say that too. When Owen won that penalty against Argentina in that 1-0 win (which Beckham scored) it was from a long-haired Poch challenge right?
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    Macern SeARcHeS iMagEs oF fO0tbAlLeRs bAllSaCkS

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    I actually think the biggest diver in the league is Ashley Barnes. He dives ten times a game.
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    Javi Full Member

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    Seems disqualifying to have watched Ashley Barnes that often this season.
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    Macern SeARcHeS iMagEs oF fO0tbAlLeRs bAllSaCkS

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    :wenger: He has dived constantly in the two games I’ve watched him this season, and Mark Clattenburg said ‘Barnes is a difficult player to referee because he’s always looking for a foul’ so I just assume he dives like that every game.

    Gets away with it too because he’s British and ugly. Imagine if it was a south american winger with a lot of flair.
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    vangagal Full Member

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    But but Poch is caf darling right?
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    Javi Full Member

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    Good on you for choosing reputation over defending that post. ;)
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    Boycott Full Member

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    If a player appeals for a corner despite knowing he touched the ball last is that player cheating?
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    I sometimes think things get lost in translation (those who are multi-lingual can probably relate). Maybe he means something slightly different?
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    Javi Full Member

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    I'd say no because he is not actually trying to deceive the ref during the action. By appealing he is engaging in behaviour that is not part of the ref's evaulation and hopefully doesn't influence it.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    Reading the article, his main point is against VAR, thus accept human errors in refereeing. This I agree which similar point I made in VAR thread.

    However, the angle Poch took is stupid. He basically said just let things be, while there surely be the need to minimize the human errors than letting things get more out of hands
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    Boycott Full Member

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    But surely claiming it means he is trying to trick the referee? And there are times when it's given, and a goal is scored. Were the opposition cheated?

    That's the underlying point. It's elite sport and they do all they can to gain marginal advantages. Players even try to win throw in's they know came off them last. VAR will help eliminate these sneaky tricks just like they have done in cricket. Batsmen didn't have to walk before if they knew they nicked it. With video umpire it makes it almost impossible to stand your ground unless it's a real feather of an edge that needs slow-mo replays otherwise you look like a twat.
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    Fridge chutney Full Member

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    He's probably speaking in the context of Hand of God. But there is being clever and being dishonest. A fine line I suppose.
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    Javi Full Member

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    You are saying the refs listen to appealing from players. They should be trained to ignore it given that it happens all the time. It might have a psychological impact somewhere down the line but I don't see how you can equal that to trying to alter the actual situation the ref has to judge on. The appealing doesn't hinder the ref judgement to make a call at all whereas the diving etc. must be a pain in the ass.
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    parkthebuslads Full Member

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    All though I'm a fan of his work, this is really disappointing. No real shock though, Spurs are pretty dirty under him.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter

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    Yeah I agree with you. The "VAR removes the romance out of the game" is a bit overplayed.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    He is right here. I never understood the moral outrage of diving especially since there is so many examples of players bending the rules during the match.
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    Hawks2008 Full Member

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    This really explains why Spurs are among the dirtiest sides in the league.
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    soccerMad New Member

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    Is he encourage this type of behaviour ?

    Wonder what he will say when he is on the receiving end, eh?

    :rolleyes:
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    I get it coming from him, South America simply have a different stance on what they consider dirty or cheating. I'm not going to respect his opinion, it's fundamentally a wrong one to have regarding the history of the sport and the legality within it.

    To make that comment at all in the English media is just plain stupid. Ridiculous.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    Not that fine of a line. Being clever is going down in the box when you are fouled instead of trying to stand off the tackle (Ayew did that the other day, against Liverpool). Dishonesty is pretending that something happened when it didn't.
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    Mickfoley Banned

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    I don't mind diving. In cricket you appeal for lbw in ridiculous scenarios and sometimes get the decision. It's the same for me.
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    Fridge chutney Full Member

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    Being clever can be putting yourself in a position to be fouled also. Is that cheating? I don't think so.

    Diving is cheating, as is conning the ref. Being clever isn't, unless You define it as cheating.
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    Not surprised that an Argentinian thinks this way; I'm surprised that he said it. His twisted logic has one major flaw: by saying that cheating is the same as outplaying the opponent, he is implying that everybody should do it every chance they get. He is also implying that those who don't do it are stupid, and those who do (like him) are smart.

    Personally, every time I see a diver like Lamela or Suarez, I wish they broke both of their legs. But that's just me.
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    Wilt New Member

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    For someone who has won absolutely feck all as a manager, he sure talks a big game.

    The more I hear from him, the less I like him.