Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Paz, Oct 15, 2017.
Oh the fun memories of the Caf during that period..
Not my memory of how Blanc set up or promoted - but I could be wrong. Who are the players he's promoted from youth?
Oh is that the reason why he hasn't managed since PSG? I do remember PSG giving him a 2 year deal or something before he was sacked.
IF there's one team you don't pickpocket from it's PSG.
Nationality : English
Height : 1,78m
Weight : Average
Hair : fair
Age : 40 y.o. , aged well
Job : managing a family club, as he named it himself, a mid-table Premier League team
Should I label him average? Is he average? Should any United fan feel so average?
You see, Zidane won the CL 3 years in a row and people think he isn't good enough for United, citing that he had Ronaldo & Co and what would he do with our lot. Pepus had the riches of Xavi, Iniesta & Messi and never achieved the same feat, he never even won it 2 years in a row, never mind 3. Pep never won the CL at Bayern, despite what he had there and he is no where near it at Shitty, comprehensively beaten by Klopp last year.
People are under estimating our attacking potential, you can see what they can do when Jose lets them off the leash, they are a much better attacking unit than people give them credit for, if only Jose would let them play. I believe Zidane would unleash that potential. We would need to sort out the defence of course, but Jose has had 2 years to do that and hasn't come up with a solution.
Jose has (had?) huge respect in the game for what he has achieved, but clearly his last 3 appointments (including United) have shown that he is struggling to main that that aura. Respect for Zidane from the players would be on a different level to Jose, though.
None of them are ideal and that is the problem.
I'd go for Pochettino but no.1 you'd have to pay Spurs a fortune, and No.2 he hasn't won anything.
Ha! I was thinking about Southgate when you were dissing my remarks about a "tactical plan" earlier.
Southgate had achieved sod all as a manager prior to the England job, and had hardly set the world on fire as a player. He has had no problem at all getting the England team to buy into his tactics though, flawed as they may be. For the first time in years we had an England team where the players seem to understand what they have been told to do, and looked happy and confident doing it.
The hype in the summer was indeed ridiculous, but the improvement over the "shoehorn in all the press' favourites and hope for the best" system used in other recent tournaments was clear to see.
Everyone knows Zidane is a great manager but ppl on here are being realistic. Zidane isn't going to us. We're a club in turmoil. He'll have his little break and then after PSG fires Tuchel in 2 years, he'll take over -- rested mentally and physically and ready to deliver PSG's Holy Grail.
Jardim is our best option right now. He won the French league even though it was PSG's league (kind of like how the EPL right now is City's and Liverpool's league) so he gives us the best chances of winning. Plus, he beat Pep twice in the UCL.
That is all we need another Portuguese manager in decline who has just been sacked.
He's not good enough for Monaco, but he's good enough for United.
This is an absurd notion. He built a bloody brilliant team at Monaco. It was completely taken away from him. Every year he has to start at 0. It would be exhausting.
He is good enough for Monaco. The issue for me is that he is described as not a big spot type of guy, I'm not sure if a club like United would suit him and he has never worked as a manager.
Well, I’d lie if I’ll claim to know the reasons to that.
I’m just going on what I’ve seen so far.
As for Southgate, I’m not sure if anyone could’ve done much more with that group of players.
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing Jardim come to OT but he's only one piece of the puzzle at Monaco. We don't have the scouting or structure. Monaco have had great success over the years in finding players and selling for big money and this season it seems to have gone wrong with a change in policy of more established young players? Was Jardim more involved in the latest signings?
If we’re going to talk about Jardim and his current predicament with Monaco and whether he’s just a flash in the pan, then look no further than Klopp and Dortmund in their last year together. There’s a few similarities between those two cases.
DoF plus Eddie Howe?? Think that could be an interesting combination. As an Englishman maybe he could bring back some the United traditions.
Jardim had it tougher though. Klopp lost some players sure but Jardim lost his best players every season.
Every year he had to start with a new team essentially.
Didn't know managers decline by age 44.
All in the last three years. If Jardim could've kept them all I'm sure PSG would've found it difficult.
Also Moutinho and Keita Balde.
Both James and Falcao if we go four years back.
The question of who could/should be United's next manager has nothing to with when Spurs last won the league title. Nor should it have anything to do with United's marketing 'brand'.
The argument of some is that United's next manager has to be a big-name (yet another one), or else some of the players won't respect him.
My argument is that any such players are part of the problem (not part the solution) and need to be kicked out on their arses to go preen themselves elsewhere. And another part of the problem is the obsession with marketing brand. The latter won't win you football matches. Moreover, this same marketing brand becomes more and more tarnished the longer that United stay in a very clear lower tier - in footballing terms - compared to the likes of now a fair few other clubs.
I'd be very happy for United to appoint someone like Zidane. What I wouldn't like, as the fan of a rival club, is to see United appoint someone like Pochettino - a manager who would come in, clear the decks of egos, stand for no nonsense, and set about building a team ethic.
I find it mildly amusing that Pochettino is the runaway favourite in the poll results. A manager that has managed a team to mid-table in La Liga and then came over here and managed that lot up the road from us for a season and did alright before landing the Spurs job. Since there they've played some nice football but won nothing. In four years of competing in a league of six for the trophies he's achieved a runners up.
Meanwhile Howe is being dismissed by many because he's managed a team from the depths of L2 to mid-table PL, played some nice football and won nothing that would be worth consideration by your standards.
Now, I'm happy for you to overlook Howe forever but if your sights really are set on Poch I think you'll have an almighty struggle to wrestle him away from Spurs. Meanwhile Howe looks to be at a similar point in his team's development to when Poch went to Spurs. You could cut out the middle man and save yourself four years.
The comparisons to Moyes are wrong on every level. Moyes achieved what he did consistently for a lot longer but he also did it in an, if we're being polite, effective style that never felt like it was a match for what your club expects. As an outsider I just shook my head and laughed and thought that'll never work.
If I'm honest I can't see your club hierarchy ever considering Howe at this point. I still don't know if he can keep the progress going with us but if he manages another season of it with us then, let's say you do plump for Pochettino, I think I know who Spurs will be looking at to replace him. That's a move I fear might happen.
So, from a purely selfish AFCB point of view, I think you should forget about Howe (we need him more than you do) and also forget about Poch (otherwise you may as well just take Howe as I think we'd lose him anyway).
Does anyone know how many of Monaco's talents that came because of the DoF or Jardim? Sucks changing manager all the time, but I think he'd be a good option for 1,5 years until a better one becomes available.
Yes, if Pochettino were to leave - which I don't see happening anytime soon - then I wouldn't be unhappy to see Howe offered the Spurs job.
All come from the DOFs, the rumoured exceptions are bad for Jardim. It's Diakhaby, Bakayoko and Aholou but take it with a pinch of salt.
Eddie Howe and Jardim, what a world our fans live in
I view Eddie Howe as a pre-Spurs Poch, too.
Howe or Jardim, either would do for me, attacking, enjoyable football again, talented academy players coming through, anything better than that we have at the moment.
I was watching a old BBC Sportsnight from 1991 earlier and Alex Ferguson said "You're never prepared for this job. I thought I had good experience to prepare me for Aberdeen. I thought I had good experience as a player to prepare me for management. But no one is prepared for the United job because its a unique job. And I could go on all day explaining it, but you'd have to be in there to understand it."
Thought it was a very relevant even today.
Stop making sense!
The comparisons to Moyes aren't wrong on every level. The fact is Moyes did a good job in keeping Everton in contention, at a respectable position on the table and developed some youth players - on limited resources. That was never enough for Manchester United especially post Sir Alex Ferguson.
Just as Eddie Howe's good work with Bournemouth, the complete opposite of United in terms of status, history, tradition etc, isn't and won't be good enough for Manchester United. He may very well be somebody who could get along at United unlike Moyes with his misplaced pride but his experience and record at this stage is inadequate. In terms of what it takes to manage clubs at European level alone he is not in the running remotely for United and wouldn't be suitable.
If he joined United as a coaching staff member now that could be a realistic prospect of Howe being considered down the track. But he would be contending with the likes of Nicky Butt and Ryan Giggs who have hands-on experience with coaching/managing and understand United inside out. They are also winners at the highest levels.
I don't want Pochettino. Spurs are welcome to him - he suits their title-less run since 1961. Some nice football and no title or silverware under Pochettino.
Just putting it out there . How about Zidane as Director of Football and Jardim as the next manager .
Zidane has experience in administration from his time from Real and even Juventus want him as replacement for the outgoing Marotta . His agent has clearly said he is not interested in managing us or any other team till next summer . Offering him a position as Director of Football might interest him since he will avoid all the stress of a managerial position . He can be the go between the management and board . I have heard he likes London and he can live there since we have offices there . He can visit Manchester from time to time for official work . Zidane is a big brand and that will appeal to Woodward . With Zidane in our corner it will be easier to sign players and he can sell our project to them . It will also appease our current players and we can possibly sign Martial,Pogba and De Gea to long term contracts .
Having Jardim as our next manager will be an interesting option in my view . He has good experience in integrating young players in the squad and he will play attacking football which will appeal to both the squad and the fans . I feel he can work well with both Zidane and Woodward too .
Shows the state fans are in when Poch is leading the poll. Id take Jardim over him because he won a title with a worse team. Poch lost the title to Leicester. Not one fan who wants Poch can face the facts. Sure he developed players but are we a selling club? Do we want to develop players and sell them? We want to develop them and win titles. Fact is Poch has a better team in 9 out of 11 positions. DDG and Pogba would get into their team and yet he finished below us and won absolutely nothing. Threw away league cup and fa cup games. Not to mention the fact he is so naive against Juventus when it was time to shut up shop and sit back he kept them playing the same way. Thats not to mention the fact their football is overrated. Scored the most goals from set pieces. And his meltdown in press conferences about pressure this season while he is at SPURS. At United he would implode.
Possibly better than what we have now.
How reliable is Calcio Mercato?
Don't think they are very reliable.
Thank god. Way too defensive.
just get King Eric in FFS
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