Poor keepers in good/great teams

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    FootballHQ Full Member

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    Joe Hart talk has got me thinking about keepers who played in teams way above their nautral level.

    Guess anyone for Liverpool in last few years qualifies but was watching some Argentina matches from late 90s on Youtube and was forgetting what a hopeless keeper German Burgos was.

    Seemed to get a cult following because of his rock star looks and now obviously a good assistant to Simeone but look at some of the goals the guy let in:

    This is him letting in a goal from football legend Jose Chilavert:



    Woeful keeping. :lol:



    From (3.09), tries to control a simple backpass and then Bolivia player just beats him easily for pace.

    Mad to think he could've easily been their number one at World cup 2002 but Bielsa changed his mind at the last minute and gave the gig to Pablo Cavallero.
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member

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    I never particularly rated Dida. He was a fine shot stopper but I found him too erratic to be classed as a genuinely top keeper so was surprised to see him as a stalwart in that fine Milan team throughout the 2000s.

    Probably not what the OP is calling for as you couldn't all him poor, but he stood out to me in an otherwise brilliant, greatest of a generation-type team.
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    Think early days at Milan he was error prone. Goal he let in v Leeds in I think 2000 that went right through him. Improved through the years and always from memory excellent penalty saver.

    Around that time Milan had Zeljko Kalac as a back up and here was a guy where Milan level was way above his natural ability. He let in a terrible goal for Australia in 2006 world cup.

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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Valdes immediately comes to mind.
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    Wednesday at Stoke Full Member

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    He wasn't poor, he wasn't a great keeper but he was average if not better.
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    coolredwine lameredboots

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    Dida?
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    Tommy bigot with fetish for footballers getting fingered

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    How was Barthez compared to that France squad? I don't remember much about his career, but he did play with some superstars in 1998.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    yeah, he was average but considering how good that Barca side was think it's a pretty good example to be honest. He had his fair share of blunders.
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    Barthez was playing CL for Monaco regularly.

    Had a very good first season at Man. United and then completely went to pot after that error v Henry, seemed to become a parody after that.

    Man. United then had period for next 3 years of error prone Barthez, Ricardo, Tim Howard and Roy Carroll. Ricardo seemed to give away a penalty every game he played and Howard and Carroll mixed up solid runs of form with poor errors.
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    Zlatattack Full Member

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    Mark Bosnich.

    Tim Howard during his time for us.

    Who was the guy Chelsea had in the 90s with the Zidane haircut. He was Dutch I think.
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    He was great for France
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    Ed De Goey. He wasn't that bad from memory.

    Bosnich flopped big time at Man. United but he was one of best premier league keepers in mid 90s.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    de Goey?
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    Galli/Rossi for AC Milan in the late 80's/early 90's. I mean they could've easily play without a keeper at all.
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    Cillessen for Holland 2014 and whenever he plays for Barca.

    Has the guy saved a penalty yet?
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    This is a good one and also Doni for Roma when they were winning the Italian league under Spalletti.
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    I personally think Hugo Lloris is a bit tosh and was comfortably France’s worst player in the WC victory. He might compensate with being a leader down to the fact he’s a captain, though it’s not really something you see/hear of.
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    Didn't Dudek play for Real Madrid after leaving Liverpool?

    Similar to Barthez, had a storming first season at Liverpool then made that famous error v Forlan and lost the confidence of the Kop afterwards and you could see that when he played thereafter, people expected him to make errors and he often did until the CL final changed everything again.
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    Lloris was great up to the final. Made lots of key saves in the KO ties.

    I do agree his general level at Spurs has dipped last 18 months compared to his first seasons. Would still rank him above Karius/Mingolet level.

    Go back 10 years and Almunia number one at Arsenal was just ridiculous when you look at the quality they had back then in rest of team.
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Yeah, I guess in the scheme of this thread and other comparisons I'm doing him a disservice. Still think he's wobbly when it gets tough.
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    Yeah that's fair, and a good shout on the understudy.

    It's probably for another thread but the biggest gulfs between first and second choice keepers would be fun: Courtois > Caballero, Romero > Caballero, Armani > Caballero, Joe Hart > Caballero, that kind of thing.
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    Bole Top Full Member

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    yeah, Valdes used to have some serious blunders even in his prime.



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    Grobbelaar was average keeper from what i read and saw in youtube.
    Man Utd 1999/00 - easy title with Bosnich/Van Der Gouw between the posts.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    Probably Rossi has been their best keeper in the last 30-40 years. Not saying much of course..
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    I don't think Joe Hart was poor when City were winning titles. He was never a complete keeper, but he was a solid shot stopper with good concentration and positioning. Crap at kicking though, and a bit erratic mentally, the hype around him seemed to inflate his ego and he became a bit of a caricature, but at his peak he was good, but not great. His decline has been rapid, but it doesn't man he wasn't ever good. Definitely one of the better keepers in the league at that time. Now he may well be among the worst.
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    Yeah. They weren't poor keepers per se, but they definitely stood out negatively comparing to the rest of those teams. Milan is an odd one for sure — throughout the years.
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    The likes of Manninger and Almunia had no business keeping for Arsenal, though the former was an understudy and the latter played in a relatively poor Arsenal side.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    I don't remember De Goey being particularly bad but he make an absolute howler against us allowing Yorke to score.
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    David Seaman

    Conceded a goal from the halfway line in a European final, and another ridiculous goal in a WC QF.
    Never rated him regardless.
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    :wenger:

    In seriousness fair enough, he was involved in a couple of high profile calamities. But I think he was legit.
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    Alphonso Areola. If he wasn‘t a french youth product, he would be nowhere near starting for PSG.

    Victor Valdes is another one. Good with his feet, but average at everything else.
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    Valdes. Massively overrated. Had he not been one of their own they’d have binned him
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    Karel Podolsky New Member

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    I don't remember Roma won the league under Spaletti.

    The last time they won was in 2001 under Capello.
    I could name at least 20 AS Roma squad members that season, hehe.
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    He's a decent keeper. Not as good as some of our fans make out (I.e not up there with De Gea) but certainly one of the better ones in the league. Had a really poor season though and is always good for an error, but his shot stopping and ability to come off his line is some of the best around. Think we actually need to bring in some decent competition for his spot as I feel he's got a little comfortable.

    As has been said, he was good up until his 'moment' in the final.
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    Who was the goalkeeper for Ajax in the early 70s?



    Exactly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Stuy

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    Victor Valdes.
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    Yep, Valdes was a very average keeper and always thought of him as the only non-great thing in Pep's Barca side.
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    I never rated David Seaman in his latter years for Arsenal. And England he was hopeless.