Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Ole's_toe_poke, Apr 22, 2012.
Can't work out why Jones came on rather than Giggs, either.
The defensive performance will rightly be criticized, but there are times when this team struggles to maintain concentration and/or momentum for an entire match (or, at least for the most crucial periods). At 4-2, with Everton looking dangerous (and having been given a warning with the goal that made it 3-2), it was always risky to look to defend and to see out the game.
To be fair, it usually works -- with some luck and judgment -- but why even allow that situation to arise at such a crucial period in the season? At 4-2 we were well on top and whether we had scored more goals or not, keeping Everton on the back foot was a far better tactic, defensively speaking, than taking the risk of allowing a freak goal or a poor decision to change the momentum of the game.
The circumstances that lead to the first two Everton goals was more than enough evidence to suggest that it was a risky tactic in this particular game.
Yes because we haven't got the transfer money to compete with our main opponents. They will make a big effort to strengthen over the summer.
At 4-2, we should have changed it. Instead of going forward, we should have flooded the midfield, left one up front and saw the match out.
I can't understand those having a pop at people today for being pissed think we are going to go and certanly get something at City after todays defensive display..
I can't see it
Yep, we were way too slow to react to what was happening. Then the sub was baffling. Just don't understand what they were thinking.
We don't have a captain that says, Right, we're in front. Now shut the bloody game down. Keano would have. We don't have anyone who shouts and bawls any more.
To be honest that is why I like a midfielder as captain. Right in the middle of the action.
Muppet or not, I'll go ahead and say Ashley Young's embellishment the last couple of weeks has cost us today. If there hadn't been the media shit storm there has been, I believe Mike Jones would've given the penalty for the blatant foul on Rafael in the first half. Not that anyone will be nearly as upset now that a refereeing error has gone against us in a massive way.
I agree with that. I would like to bet we don't get another penalty, unless someone knocks the ball over his own crossbar with his hand.
Were you asleep when Chelsea were spending hundreds of millions in the mid-late 2000s yet we were still able to compete and win trophies?
And who won the title last year despite City spending hundreds of millions? We're still in the driving seat this year again, so we're well able to be competitive despite not having the buying power of those plastic twats.
That's not even mentioning the young players we have coming through. Things are in good shape for the future.
Evertons fans are happy or sad with this one point??
Some of you guys are embarrassing. We havent lost the title ffs.
I wonder how many of you were laughing at City fans who gave up on the league a few weeks ago. I bet it was most of you
We're Manchester United. We'll win it when we want.
I'd be really pissed off if I were an Everton fan. They don't turn up in the semi v Liverpool last week and give it max this week.
Football becomes so much easier when the pressure is off. They were afraid last week because they had something to lose. This week they didn't. Peinaar makes a big difference to them too in fairness.
Our attacking play was some of the best I've seen this season.
Our defending was unacceptable. I like Rafael but that was an atrocious display. Perhaps the Debuchy rumours have some substance.
I dislike the player Fellaini, but that was an extraordinary display, we could not cope with him.
Both fullbacks were defensively poor today. I really hope SAF addresses the position in the summer
Subs came too late today.
Well, I can't see Evra moving on and Rafael has had more good games than bad ones. Maybe with Vidic back, Fergie will play Smalling at right back which I don't think is his best position. Who do you suggest might come in?
It was actually Nani who was poor for the first two Everton goals. On both occasions, he made little or no effort to stop the crosses coming in after doing the hard work and getting back.
Lack of intensity and some real complaceny when we were drawing. It was weird to see but not surprising given the way the season has gone. We played really well at 0-1 and when it was 1-1 in the second half (and 3-2 second half). When we had the lead, we just allowed them too much space and back in to the match. Soo many individual mistakes but in a way thankfully it happened in one match.
All this needs to be addressed in the week and we need to be fully focused for the next match.
My thoughts exactly.
Give credit to Everton who never gave up; they did the same thing a couple of seasons again when we were 3-1 up in injury time and they scored twice. Too bad they don't play this hard against their neighbours.
Evra has not been at his best this season and Rafael still has a lot to learn. I don't have anyone in mind but I'm sure it's no coincidence that we have been linked to different fullbacks recently
Everton take the credit for their attitude and the way they come back. But at OT we have to look at ourselves and why we were still playing a ridiculously open 4-4-2, while 3-1 and 4-2 up.
Had we brought on Jones for Scholes earlier we would be talking about winning it at City rather than possibly losing it. Fergie will take all the credit if we win the title, he will also have to take the flak if we throw it way.
For the life of me, I can't understand why we defended so deep at 4-2 up. In a game where we were losing nigh on every high ball, why on earth would you want to defend so close to your goal? It doesn't make any sense at all.
Also, Smalling should have been introduced I think... he would have given us a great aerial presence to counter Jelavic and Fellaini.
Alas, it wasn't meant to be... I usually have full belief in Manchester United, but my belief has almost all but gone now. Sounds a bit defeatest, but when you watch your team throw away a 4-2 lead with 10 minutes to go, it's hard not to be. I'm of course not saying that we can't get a result of the Etihad, because of course we can... but whether we will or not is, for me, a totally different thing.
Surely midfield first? Surely? Better control in the centre means the defence is exposed less. I want what i wanted at the start of the season, a fucking good defensive midfielder to help Carrick out. That is our weakest area by a mile, with only Carrick as an option.
If we win nothing this season the oversight in not signing another DM will be the main cause imo. I wanted a DM last summer while everyone was screaming for a Modric or a Sneijder last summer, yet we were linked with nobody even remotely defensively minded.
Baffled me then how a top team can go into a season with only one defensive minded midfield option and expect to win anything, and unfortunately it looks like is may cost us right at the death, after we appeared to have gotten away with it for so long. Domestically at least.
o know how is sounds but i knew we would regret wasting that chance. I swear.
Sounds like you need a new team to "support."
When that happened I sort of jokingly thought in my head 'We might regret missing that'.
Absolutely. Been as much, if not more, of a problem than central midfield. Evra cannot be untouchable any more. I don't understand why we have persisted with him in almost every game for 18 months of average defensive play.
Has anyone realised that Everton were actually very good? Why didn't they play like that against Liverpool though ?
Both full backs had shockers. Our midfield could just not handle the excellent Falaini, who must have played the game of his life. All good work from Welbeck, Rooney and Nani wasted.
I have a reputation on this website for being overly positive.
But recently my Dad has been quite ill. I didn't think I'd be able to go to this game because of it, but then he's miraculously turned it around, and I had a friend come through with extremely cheap tickets. Really cheap.
So I went today, and watched United score 4. My Dad left about 10 minutes to go, because his knee is that bad that if he left with everyone else he'd have ended up with one leg, and he had to get home to take my little brother to a tennis competition.
He missed the 2 goals, and when I told him about them, he was mortified. Couldn't believe it. Sounded distraught.
But oddly after today I felt proud of United. I think it's because I saw my father enjoying some wonderful play from a young Mancunian and the atmosphere was a lot better where I was than it has been recently.
Afterwards I felt a really weird fixture. I just felt happy that I can get so much joy out of football. Sometimes it goes fucking horribly wrong, but we're United, we always fucking make it hard for ourselves.
Seeing my Dad fight to get there today, made me realise how much people can do when they fucking want it. And make no mistake, Man City want our title, they're hunting us down, but I trust Ferguson wants it more. Our players want it more.
I'm worried about the end of the season, but as long as we play as we can, we'll win it. I love United.
The difference in the intensity of the two games was ridiculous. So flat at Wembley and so fired up today. They celebrated that comeback like a cup final. If they'd worked that hard against Liverpool they could have been in one. That's without even getting into their pathetic display against them in the league. If I was an Everton fan I'd be livid.
Exactly right. I had a go at his defending against Bilbao where again he went to sleep and let people get away. He ''ball watches'' too much.
If you watch the Everton game carefully, he was responsible for 3 of their goals, defensively he's a fcuking liability.
It's just words isn't it. He knows we've completely fucked it and we'll do very well to get a point at the etihad.
Maybe ,No pressure?
Also I think Everton weren't that great.
Just the presence of Felaini and Nikica caused us problems and our spastic defenders.
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