Champions League Group H
Wed, 07 November 2018
Yeah Juve didn't even want to win this game imo.
Christ this place is a shithole.
We were lucky and that is how some football matches go. However, I saw more improvement in our attack and this continues a trend for about a month. More and more, we are seeing quick combinations between 2, 3 and 4 players that is attractive and effective. Mou, please keep this trend and I will become a fan.
I'm not too confident going to City, but I expect a decent showing based on these trends.
Apart from that
Tbh, the whole “we were absolutely shat on and then got lucky” narrative is nonsense, and I’m firmly in the anti-Jose camp*, with no reason to twist anything to be needlessly positive. We gave a pretty good account of ourselves in the first half, where the only real chance they had was that Khedeira effot, and where Sanchez was only a whisker away from connecting to a Matic through ball for us too...
Then in the second there was 25 minute period where they completely dominated after their goal, which is often par for big teams tbf - momentum and all that - and a lot of which came on the counter attack as we pushed for an equaliser - which is also precisely how Rashford got 1 on 1, in what was easily the best chance of the whole game, but that apparently doesn’t count as much, because, reasons? - so the idea it was a complete shithouse is unfair.
We still didn’t play particularly well, or deserve to win per say, but we also didn’t do “nothing” and the fawning over Juve, who weren’t particularly incredible and haven’t even won anything important yet is a bit bizarre. *especially by our manager! Who literally can’t help himself in trying to present as the underdog in every situation.
First of all PSG aren't stronger than Juve.
Secondly, in an one off game, anyone could beat anyone. However we are going by evidence and the evidence is that teams which are lower than Juve in Italian League easily defeated Spurs and Liverpool, so as usual you're making a stupid point.
We were not the better team obviously but we nicked the win. Awesome. Solid play from us most of the game, without much penetration. We had our weak moments, especially after Ronaldos goal. They could have scored it to 3-0. But they did not and we fought back.
All in all I don't think we necessarily deserved to win but there was a good performance there considering everything.
Matic, Lingard and Young are not good enough.
That sums up how I feel. We were not brilliant but let's not pretend Juventus were either. They were nowhere near as impressive as I'd expect the best side in Europe to be, which I suppose they aren't yet. This notion that they battered is incorrect. They had a phase of domination due the swing the match took with the goal and us losing our concentration. For the rest of the game I felt we were comfortable.
Either way, that was a smashing result and I felt we played fairly well for good chunks of the game
Wow, some people have such incredibly low footballing IQs it's a wonder they can find the right channel to even watch the football!
Agreed. It is amazing how different the team looks with confidence and belief. We dare to believe.
Well, because it's the part that stood out. Why else would i do it. The wording threw me off, that's all. It was you saying that the interviews made it sound like they are a superior side, as opposed to YOU thinking they were a superior side. I'm not saying you don't think that, just the wording of it that's all. No big deal.
I mean, whatever. We fecking won, that's all i care about.
Probably the game at Old Trafford.
We were by no means great, and had Juve finished their chances, it could have definitely been a different story, but I wouldn't say we were terrible.
With the win being the most obvious positive to take out the game, the fact that we kept the ball better, pressed higher up the pitch, looked better as unit and held our own against a very good Juve side are massive positives to take from the game.
I was listening to 'Grumpy Pundits' on US Sat radio this AM. Man the one guy hates Jose and United. No credit for anything and saying United parked the bus. We were defensive of course, being at Juve and all, but man all he could do was dig at Jose. The other guy, a City fan at least said: 'you have to give credit where it was due yesterday'.
I'll take the win all day long, got to be good for morale and confidence.
I'd like us to Play Herrera in the Matic role and get Fred back in the team moving forward
Matic is looking tired and static, he's always been better suited to games we dominate. He's a superb player, just needs a rest
If we had Scholes we would have controlled the game.
Parked the bus? FFS. He might want to try forming his own opinions instead of parroting stock phrases. We played like an Italian team of old. Our defence played as a unit and, although we rode our luck and let Juve have the ball, they were taking quite a few long-range efforts. That told me that our defence was playing well and we always had an outlet in Martial, Sanchez, and Young.
Yeah, so did I, just had this feeling.
Abdo99 with a bunch of horrendous posts.
Ok, but these games they struggled in, did they lose any of them? They aren't struggling like Bayern Munich, or Real Madrid. Nobody is saying that we are better than them, but I don't remember your optimistic dismissal of Juventus prior to the game, or when we were drawn together. You didn't ruffle feathers, but you're one of several retrospexperts I've come across since the game that are downplaying many people's favourite for the competition right after we played really well, and still needed a bit of luck to beat them.
Couldn't believe my eyes, but we did play well. If we could bring in a couple of top players in January, you never know. Skriniar and Insigne would be nice.
Yeah. IIRC all the talk at HT was of how much more encouraging and positive we’d been compared to the reverse. Even during their dominant period 2nd half they created maybe, what, 2 more proper chances than us? I’m watching the BT YouTube highlights just now and it doesn’t seem one sided at all (anymore than any big clash home tie at any rate) and Martial got behind and put one straight across the face just before we scored that hasn’t even made it into their 'reel'.
And of course, that’s without taking into account that apparently goals from free-kicks don’t count as created chances now* But cool looking long range efforts seemingly do
If we seriously shithoused this, I’d say so (it’s apparently all us tentatively Jose-out lot live for, I hear?) but we didn't. Not really. We were very much in the game for well over an hour, then rallied after a set back to get back into it again. That’s not jammy shithousery where I’m from (and I’m from trendy gentrified South London, where shithousery is basically frequently outrageous rent and semi-regular stabbings, so....)
* Along with counter attacks when Juventus lose the ball in their own half (jammy) as opposed to counter attacks when United lose it near their own box (super-smashing-great!)
Would have probably been a little easier if Ronaldo was still playing for us instead of Juve, too.
Still enjoying the feel good factor from this win.
All these late goals and wins must be doing wonders for the squad. Bring on Sunday!
Day 2 of his downplaying Juventus team.
City Lover? More like City fan.
Sad times at the Cafe.
We win and you get depressed reading what's being written.
Wonder what he would say if City had beaten Juventus.
Oh trust me, if City had beaten Juventus a bunch of so called United fans would have wanked themselves to sleep about it.
Believe me or not. There’s nothing we should be happy about except the win and our effort to fight back.
Our clueless manager doesn’t know how to rotate the squad, create no attacking style, large gap again between defenders and midfielders, Lingard still not told to go right flank, Matic tired and less coverage on the pitch etc. Don’t you guys see all these problems in this match?
We won because of Mata brink of brilliance, luck and players’ effort.
To be honest, we should have lost by 3 to 4 goals if Juventus took one or two more chances in the first half.
Mark my words. In the coming derby, pace and midfield efficiency is vital. If Fred and Rashford are not in the starting eleven, if we should till use Lingard as attacking midfielder, we will be screwed in the first half again, then we’ll wait for subs to try to overturn things. This conceding first cycle keeps going.
Oh I did, still am today. Little bit more than a lot.
I walked into office like I own it, they rolled their eyes knowing that fun is over. They said: " you were lucky", I put my hand to my ear and pulled Jose: "whaaaat,can't hear you" In front of my Liverpool fan college I shouted "Zvezda, Zvezda" (means Star from Red Star) million times, wonder why he is not talking to me today. Hmmm. I also wonder why some of them are avoiding me today, hmmm.
Anyway, good days of o fun, but I fear I will have to call in sick on Monday, if we lose on Sunday.
The first hour was great and the gap between defenders and midfield wasn't that large as you might think, they did a terrific job. The problem is that too many players couldn't maintain the efforts (the organisation)on the pitch. We played against a very strong team away.
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