Post-modern renditions with an All-Time pool

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    Been particularly interested in this topic of late — a lot of teams in the contemporary period and the 2000s had distinctive styles and ideologies, and left a unique mark (minor or major is up to subjective interpretation) on the era — wonder how draft enthusiasts in say 2050 will attempt to remake them with an expanded pool...

    e.g. Simeone's Atlético are bloodhounds with incredible resolve and a formidable defensive ethos — how would you amplify the robust characteristics of the team without fundamentally altering the compact vertical shape, intense pressing with fairly rigid defensive blocks, or the individual and collective dynamics/hierarchies?

    Sample formation:

    Costa Griezmann
    Koke Tiago Gabi Turan
    Luís Godín Giménez Juanfran
    Oblak​

    Costa: Mercurial force of nature — superlative load to contend with, lynch-pin in their vertical game, and one of the best target strikers in recent years.
    Griezmann: Talisman in attack — versatile and dynamic forward who makes the most of his touches, and is fairly efficient — also very hardworking and tactically disciplined for an attacker of his profile.
    Koke: Playmaker in chief, frequently drifting inwards from the outside midfielder station — sound passing ability, good crosses and a difference maker from set pieces.
    Gabi: The embodiment of the heart and soul of the team — stout defensive screen, goes both ways and is frequently an asset on the ball to keep things ticking over.

    ...and so forth.

    Primarily built around the trio of Rummenigge (attacking star), Charlton (creative reference point in midfield), Figueroa (defensive leader) — reflecting the stature of Griezmann, Koke, Godín in the team — with Voronin/Gabi as the influential 4th wheel in central midfield.

    [​IMG]


    Assorted remake nominations with a handful of classic post-modern teams to possibly set the ball rolling:
    http://www.zonalmarking.net/category/matches/decade/twentyteams/
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    A first attempt at the Invincibles Arsenal side-

    -----------Baggio---Zico-----
    Rivelino-Davids--Desailly--Figo
    R.Carlos-Stam---Nesta---J.Zanetti
    --------------Buffon----------------

    Henry is hard to improve on but keep his style of play. The best option I could think is Baggio although you could keep Henry. Zico for Bergkamp might not be too obvious (I considered Kopa) a direct 10 who can also score and is closest to a second striker than the elite creative central forwards. Pires was a wide playmaker so Rivelino fits nicely. The rest of the side is pretty straight forward.
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    A bit too GOAT-y. Like the OP approach of replacing the world class players with GOATs and support level players with tier 2/3.
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    I'd missed that. I'll give it another go later
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    @Invictus Very good effort. I just don‘t see it with Rummenigge and Griezmann. Griezmann never played on the wing after Sociedad, and he lacks in 1v1 qualities. Why not a proper second striker there?

    I‘ll give it a go for Dortmund 2013

    ———-—van Basten——-
    —Stoichkov-Laudrup-Ghiggia
    -——Masopust—-Pluskal—-
    Camacho—Baresi- Vidic—Reuter
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    My thinking here is the stars of the side were Bergkamp, Henry and Vieira.

    ---------------Baggio---Zico------
    L.Brady-----Davids--Deschamps--B.Conti
    Demyanenko-Vierchowod-T.Silva--Irwin
    ------------------Shilton----------------------
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    Moby Dick who hates the homeless

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    Great effort that!
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    Thanks :)
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    Love the Brady shout there @Physiocrat.

    Another Invincibles effort:
    Pele
    Conti --- Totti -- Lato
    Velazquez - Zito
    Camacho - Desailly - Pereira - Angloma
    Maier​
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    Luigi Riva is a nice Henry shout I think with his combination of finishing, running with the ball and fluidity on the left.
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    Yeah, I wasn't entirely pleased with that resolution, either — gut instinct said Law or Raúl, but they were a tier or two below Figueroa and Charlton — which would be odd considering Griezmann is a greater player than Koke, so hurriedly decided to post Rummenigge to kickstart the discussion. Still trying to think of the ideal replacement. :lol:
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    If you considered Raul, then Puskas is your man:)
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    Jose's Inter

    ----------------Law--------------
    Nedved----Di Stefano----Sanchez
    -------Essien------Simeone-----
    Cole--Tresor---Vidic--Zambrotta
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    On to Mourinho's Porto now that @idmanager's done Inter! Deco and Carvalho are the designated superstars — with everyone else ranging from 1-3 tiers below in roles of varying importance (Maniche the tenacious shuttler, McCarthy scoring at a good rate, Ferreira delivering some of the best performances of his career on the right flank, Costinha and Mendes organizing the midfield, Costa the hammer to Carvalho's scalpel).

    Derlei McCarthy
    Deco
    Maniche Costinha Mendes
    Valente Carvalho Costa Ferreira
    Baía

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    Campbell as csrvalho is a great choice, not sure about moore as Costa though.
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    Think it is the other way around.. Moore as Carvalho and Campbell as Costa?
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    I was joking :p
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    Yep, Moore for Carvalho (technically proficient centerback) and Campbell for Costa (tall and robust).
    http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/19682/

    The combination kinda mirrors Moore and Jack Charlton for the English national team.
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    [​IMG]

    Müller
    Bettega - Charlton - Bene
    Stielike-Bonhof
    Montero - Passarella - Ruggeri - Cafu
    Pfaff
    Something like that, perhaps. Switched CBs though — Passarella is Lucio's replacement.
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    I really like the Rivera deco pick.
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    I wojld have briegel instead of bonhof but otherwise great team.
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    That's terrific, @harms — had a bunch of those exact players in mind for my version! :lol:

    Müller
    Mandzukić Laudrup Seeler
    Tardelli Jansen
    Montero Chumpitaz Pereira Cafú
    Mazurkiewicz
    Müller for Milito is really apt considering his heroics vs. Roma, Siena, Barcelona and Bayern through the final stretch.
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    My attempt at a wonderful Valencia team with barely any stars other than Aimar and Ayala. They didn't score a lot of goals but were a joy to watch

    [​IMG]

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    Oblak
    Juanfran Gimenez Godin F.Luis
    Arda Gabi Tiago Koke
    Griezmann Costa

    Beara
    Djalma Ruggeri Baresi Maldini
    Hassler Dunga Bremner Ardiles
    S.Mazzola Riva​
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    My take on this would be:

    [​IMG] vs [​IMG]
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    Time for a fresh batch — including Capello's Juventus, who were comparable to mid 2000s Milan but don't receive commensurate acclaim given their inability to conquer Europe, and Spaletti's Roma — with Totti ushering in the new False 9 era (hope Cruyff isn't used there, he has his own thread in this sub-forum).
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    Jose's Inter.

    - Pack the side with enormous workrate.
    - Players who can hold the fort against the biggest storms.
    - Players used to playing in defensive/counter attacking formations.
    - For GOATs I chose Lucio, Sneijder and Milito and Cambiasso just below.

    Caeser <--> Dasayev: Great shot stopper and elite at starting counters.
    Chivu <--> V. Andrade: Disciplined defensive presence who can tuck in with the CBs to tighten the back.
    Samuel <--> McGrath: Another name who has history of singlehandedly containing massive attacking threats. Pacy, Athletic, complete defender.
    Lucio <--> Daniel Passarella: Slots in as the leader of defense, against never say die mentality and critical in moving forward for blocks or starting attacks.
    Maicon <--> Manfred Kaltz: Important in providing width having great stamina and offensive ability. Someone who can penetrate the opposition defense.
    Zanetti <--> J. Andrade: I don't think you can upgrade Pupi in this team. Closest stylistically is Andrade, another versatile and complete midfielder/defender.
    Cambiasso <--> Schweinsteiger: Cambiasso was critical in both phases of play, provided endless stamina and workrate.
    Sneijder <--> Platini: Straight forward, need a faultless playmaker who can make every attack count, Platini well versed in playing in defensive formations.
    Pandev <--> Kempes: Super work rate, capable of fortifying the team further, has been used in direct attacks and will make in-roads from that side.
    Eto'o <--> Lato: Very tough, a combination of goals, pace, work rate and versatility. This is Lato's 74 goal scoring version.
    Milito <--> van Basten: Apart from the obvious qualities, will bring the wing forwards and Platini into the game, and them being scorers.


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    First name that came to mind for this team.
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    Yeah, considered him as well.
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    Ah cool thread.
    [​IMG]
    I was actually using Spalleti's Roma as my original template in the last draft though I switched up the the false 9 idea when I couldn't get Totti himself instead of going with Hidegkuti since I was a afraid of getting stuck in a chain. It also felt a little too GOAT heavy for the concept here so I replaced Desailly and Cannavaro with less GOAT-ish players. The more GOAT-ish version would just use Desailly and Cannavaro


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    Extra points for anyone who uses Sarosi for the Totti role in Spaletti's side.
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    Roma team with Sarosi + modern PL stars

    Mane---------------------Salah
    -------------Sarosi--------------
    ---Ballack--------Yaya Toure--
    ------------Carrick--------------
    Cole---Rio------Kompany--Azpil
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    Some lovely Roma remakes, thus far (including @idmanager's with Dr. Sárosi)!

    Going with an exclusively Serie A selection, with some personal favorites — couldn't resist the temptation to opt for either Valentino as a deep-lying forward or Meazza as a roaming forward considering they were the spiritual predecessors of Totti, even though Sindelaar would've been pretty much perfect — using Mazzola as a pseudo-10 in the end for romantic reasons. Contemplated going with Hamrin/Seedorf as well, but really wanted to include Julinho/Boban/Vidal and there are only so many spots up for grabs, so...

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    @Šjor Bepo [​IMG]
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    Watch idmanager flap at Valentino's inclusion like he's never missed a game he played
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    Going for the original Mourinho Chelsea side. Star players probably Drogba, Lampard and Carvalho.

    Original -

    -------------Drogba--------
    Robben----------------J.Cole (a more of a wide playmaker makes most sense for this kind of setup IMO)
    ------Lampard--Essien------
    -----------Makelele-----------
    Gallas-Carvalho-Terry-P.Ferreira
    --------------Cech------------------------

    All-time pool-

    -----------------MVB---------------
    --Overmars---------------Kopa
    ---------Matthaus--Vieira-------
    ----------------Stiles--------------
    I.Cordoba-Nesta-Vidic--Sagnol
    --------------Jennings----------
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    Why dont u just ignore my posts mate. We'd be saving everyone some time :lol:

    And I cant help being a romantic with pre war players, so yea, Valentino Mazzola :drool:

    Not a fan of him in the false 9 role though. He was way more a midfielder rather than a foward even though he scored prolificly.

    Dont think even Meazza would work there as he wasnt a prolific scorer when he moved centrally. Always played behind a number 9 in his peak central role behind Piola who said he owed all his goals to Meazza and Ferrari who were in the inside forward/creator roles

    Sindelar, Sarosi and Hidegkuti from back then would be my favorites to replace Totti.

    Meazza of course would be great as the left forward in the setup and Mazzola as one of the midfielders in the B2B role

    @Invictus
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    Well it won't be the first time Ive had to block you on a social forum. But not yet.
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    idmanager Banned

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    Okay, good for you. But lets not ruin another thread. Bye :wenger:
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    @idmanager

    Meazza is known to be flexible enough for every attacking position, but I remember reading a post in a draft thread where it was dissected how Meazza scored much more in one specific and his goalscoring numbers dropped when used in other positions.

    I have searched for the post but have never found it again. Do you (or anyone else) remember that?
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    @Don Alfredo