Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by deafepl, Feb 13, 2019.
Pogba’s poor with his back to goal. His limitation as a #10. He’s not a false 9 by any stretch.
False 9 is about dragging out the centre backs and also the linking between midfield and attack. We shouldn’t be expecting good amount of end product from false 9 and I think Lingard is very good at this role.
Eriksen could be a good candidate as well and he’s versatile enough to play in other position too. However,
The reason why our right winger is given free to roam role or cut inside because we don’t have an option for a natural right winger. This might be why all our previous managers never play a proper RW. I think having a proper right winger will give us more dimension to create our chances and add more creativity.
I stated that Ole don't play with two wingers, he plays player as a free wide roaming, the only club play with two classic wingers if their fullback is average at attacking.
The likes of Real Madrid, Juve, Barca, etc usually don't play wingers much nowadays as they used to be before, they have one of their attacking fullbacks to provide width for them.
Ole plays more of an inverted wingers (aka Martial or Lukaku when they play wide) when he was in Molde not roaming wingers where the players are all over the place because they are given free role (aka Lingard). You look at Lingard’s map is like all over the place. On top of that our right backs are average at attacking.
Alexis Sanchez... yeah his form now is so bad, but the last few times he played there last year this season under Mourin, he's strangely played well and effective, even winning long ball into the box, good movements in and out of the box, pulling defenders here and there, etc.
Ole haven't used him as false #9 yet(?). Rubbish at the wing, last chance for him to be tried with that role. Rashford is our only winger now, so with Martial and Jesse out..
I guess you didn't read my first post, that's what I called Lingard's role is false 9/free roaming, but we can't attack because of winger or fullback is average at attacking the right flank, our attacking from right flank is completely no existent.
However, I said it will work if we get fullback first who can do that job when is in attacking mode and give RW a freedom to roam anywhere freely, even in the box, cutting in, making run behind and play as false 9. For an example City prefers Mendy over Sane if Mendy is fully fit, Mendy can do Sane's job of attacking from the width, it gives City extra attacking players in the box as long as Mendy is playing wider and attack.
Lukaku or Rashford plays wide because Ole has used false 9 in Lingard and give him freedom and help to stretch the defence from two strikers playing wide and benefit from Lingard's movement.
If we are looking at the type of RW, I'd prefer winger like Steven Bergwijn, Fekir, David Brooks, Dybala if we get attacking fullback, etc rather than having a pure classic winger like Pepe, Suso, Perisic.
I’m awared what you wrote. You are forgetting one thing that in your case we need to buy two players (attacker and attacking full back) that can cost crazy money. On the other hand if we sign an actual right winger, the right back wouldn’t need to be attacking right back. And we can have more fund to sign other roles such as centre back, midfielder or even backup for Shaw.
Attacking fullback is very important to the attacking style of play and far more threatening with an extra body in the box where 3 attack upfront can wait for crosses, though ball on, cutback/square passes or rebounds goal as long as a fullback can keep width.
if we want an actual winger, we'd be losing one body in the box because winger would keep the width and take fullback on. I'd rather signing RB first than a backup for Shaw. CB, RW and RB are more important, we need to strengthen them first before CM, LB and other attacking position.
Not always the case. Look at Dortmund’s right flank and Chelsea right flank. They are playing attacking style.
Many Chelsea fans are not happy with Azpilicueta as RB, because he was average at attacking and having a pure winger like Willan in front of him is not helping it either, you can see between quality attack between Alonso and Azpillcueta. Alonso benefited from Hazard who is not a pure winger like Willan but roam anywhere and give enough space for Alonso.
Dortmund has Sancho in front of attacking fullbacks on the right flank, he's not a typical classic winger, we have none pure winger or attacking fullback on right flank. If we don't want to upgrade Young who is average at attacking and sign RW to keep width just because fullback can't keep width threatening, that's okay but I will not accept it if we want to compete at the top
How about Chiesa? He has played as false 9 couple of times for his club and play on RW and seem to have better end product from right flank at 21 from his club that doesn't usally dominate teams in league and seems to have a high work rate off the ball in defensive and attacking, He won't be expensive like Dybala, Sancho.
Said this in the right winger thread, he would be a wise choice that could cover a lot of positions across the front line. He’d easily be half the price of either of those two, without being half the quality.
It’s not the fans that set up the attack style it’s the manager. The issue about both full backs in attack mode will expose the team in counter. Need to incredibly know how to play possession. And under Ole we don’t play possession.
Sancho is still a right winger though, what are you talking about.
Depend if you're seeing Sancho as a winger in the same tier as Willian, Pericic, Sane, Suso who stay wide and keep width threatening, which I don't think he is. he's more of Dybala, Greizmann, Fekir that has the freedom to roam anywhere, making a cut in rather than staying wide.
Sancho is a winger who likes to play cross and pass. Completely different to Dybala, Griezmann and Fekir.
True... But If we got rid of Lukaku and sanchez I suspect we would have plenty of money spare
That said we have not had a huge amount of luck with our Argentinian signings so far
I'm also not convinced a false 9 like dybala presumably with Martial and rashford wide is ideal... I'd much rather see rashford play as an actual 9 and get somebody else on the right wing (ideally Sancho but I think city have a clause allowing them to match any offer don't they so perhaps that might not be an easy deal to do)
Well, Gaby Heinze was excellent here and one of United fans favourite before Evra took his place ans he wanted go to Scouseland.
I wouldnt say we play with a false 9 as such. In Rashford, we have a complete forward. Does he drop deep at times, yes, but he also runs the channels, which is extremely important given the situation with our right winger and how we want that player to play.
As you mentioned, because Solskjaer prefers one of his wingers to roam - in our case the the right winger, its vitally important that we make up for the lack of width by, not only having a full back who can fill these areas, but a dynamic striker who can pop up in the right channel. Rashford is that guy and we should be looking to get a similar striker to rotate with him.
As for the right winger role, if we are to upgrade on Lingard - although I feel Solskjaer really likes Lingard, then the players you mentioned would be ideal. The acquisition of Griezmann or Dybala would be great as we'd effectively be killing two birds with one stone, as the both can play up top too.
Going forward, I'd personally like to see two direct wingers on each wing. I look at teams like Liverpool and Man City and how they cut teams apart and cant help but think how good we'd be if we had that.
Third big away game we've used the diamond and won, and we've done with Lingard and Mata who with all due respect are squad players if the aim is to challenge for the top trophies. Wouldn't be surprised if we are looking at a top talent for this role as well as a winger like Sancho over the next 18 months or so, looking to be peak in both formations we play.
Separate names with a comma.